The world where the operating system on my phone (GrapheneOS) isn't conspiring against me or uploading my files to someone else's computer.

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kowbell 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Is your phone also made of indestructible materials so it can't break, and magnetically linked to your person so it can't be stolen? Backups exist so you don't lose precious photos/data if you lose the device. Most People™ do not have the technical knowledge to set up a self-owned backup system, and/or will not realize how badly their future selves will wish they had backups if the setup friction for a self-owned solution is too high to conveniently do it right this second.

	▲	mannanj 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I think we are closing that gap with AI coding tools. A growing number of people people today can figure out how to run Fable in a co work session, or codex, and that can indeed set up the self-owned backup system for you along with an alternative trustable cloud backup thats not Apple or Google.

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slashdave 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That must also be the world where more than a tiny number of people are using GrapheneOS

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GuB-42 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

But you still need backups right?

For most people "the cloud" is where you backup stuff. If you have a personal backup strategy that doesn't involve the cloud, you are not "most people".

Doing backups the right way take some skill and investment if you want to do it by yourself. It may involve setting up a NAS, and some discipline with physical media. You have to do your own security too. Most people don't want to do that, so, cloud backup it is.

It is not a perfect solution, even beyond the privacy considerations, like you can still lose your data by losing your account, but from my personal experience, people lose their data less often now that they have cloud backups.

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drnick1 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> But you still need backups right?

I back up files to my own cloud with a Nextcloud integration for Android. That being said, a monthly or so backup of devices via USB/Ethernet, like we used to in the pre-cloud area, would be enough for all intents and purposes. It's not like what people have on their phones is generally very valuable.

	▲	BeetleB an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		> I back up files to my own cloud with a Nextcloud integration for Android. Ouch man. Don't do that. Nextcloud is fairly unreliable. > That being said, a monthly or so backup of devices via USB/Ethernet, like we used to in the pre-cloud area, would be enough for all intents and purposes. And/or use FolderSync to sync to your PC, and then use a proper E2E system to back up to the cloud.
	▲	tredre3 44 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		- People don't need cloud backups - People's files aren't valuable You're making a lot of claims that are so blatantly false from what I see on my side that I don't know what to make of it. Are you projecting your own needs onto "people"? Or am I the one who's disconnected, and people truly don't care about losing all their photos?