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alwaysanoobie 8 hours ago

Oh man,this makes my stomach churn with anxiety.

It's a tough job market out there and it took 4 months to land job offers after being laid off.

I have a competitive offer from Oracle OCI with a team adjacent to this initiative and I am seriously considering it. How long do you guys think it will take to blow up (if it does)

To the experienced devs out there; would you take a 15% less offer from a medium sized company for job security?

baxtr 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I am not sure why, but many people (news / media outlets?) love end of world scenarios.

too often pessimists are treated as serious, critical thinkers, while optimists are dismissed as naive or foolish.

remember this guy Michael Burry who saw the 2008 housing crash coming, bet everything against it, and made a fortune?

but then he spent the next 15 years trying to pull off the exact same trick, lost a ton of money fighting a massive bull market, and finally had to shut down his hedge fund because lightning just wouldn't strike twice.

how I deal with this: focus on what you can control. reading news in general seems to be difficult. what can I personally do about all that? very little tbh.

alwaysanoobie 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Thanks a bunch, this is really nice advice! Jobs would come and go, One should focus on building skills (the thing we can control!)

Sammi 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You need to listen to what Bryan Cantrill said about his experience at Oracle, before you go there.

> What you think of Oracle is even truer than what you think it is: "Shit mediocrity, inflict misery, lie our asses off, screw our customers, and make a whole shitload of money"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=2047s

> You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower. You don't anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn, you stick your hand in there and it'll chop it off, the end. You don't think 'oh, the lawnmower hates me' -- lawnmower doesn't give a shit about you, lawnmower can't hate you. Don't anthropomorphize the lawnmower. Don't fall into that trap about Oracle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zRN7XLCRhc&t=2308s

actionfromafar 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Something other than Oracle for only 15% less? Sounds great.

blitzar 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

From the "Read Next" section: SoftBank's Son says calling AI a bubble is 'blasphemy'

Softbank always has their finger on the hype pulse ...

I will go against the grain of everyone else - be a hype beast, every crash I have seen they make more and get better jobs on the flip side. Counter Oracle at a higher salary and ask about bonus guarantees for when this all goes to the moon (you have to really really appear to believe).

alwaysanoobie 7 hours ago | parent [-]

The 15% delta is after negotiations. They didn't allow quarterly vests either.

blitzar 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Take what you have learnt from a layoff (assuming it is your first time) - we are all one big happy family in it together till we are not, then we are all mercenaries and it is onto the next master. Time to get back in the game.

surgical_fire 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> To the experienced devs out there; would you take a 15% less offer from a medium sized company for job security?

In a hot job market, no.

In the current job market, yes.

It's one of the main reasons I am sticking to my current employer. I could likely make more money by moving jobs right now ; I still get the odd recruiter reaching out here and there; but I fancy the security when I see dark clouds on the horizon.

And oh boy, those clouds are very dark. Foreboding indeed.

mohamedsayhii 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

definitely