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| ▲ | Lerc 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I wrote that comment entirely by myself, on my phone while waiting for a souvlaki. Perhaps the things that you consider AI tells are simply a use of language from someone in country with a different education system. I can't really judge how I might personally benefit from the current direction because I am uncertain what that direction is, and indeed if it will be sustained. If you are trying to allege that I have some personal affiliation to an organisation where I might benefit more than any average member of the public, then I must disappoint you. I work on my own projects, I sometimes make money from games that I make. I do not wish for a hypercapitalist dystopia where a company could train a model on work for hire content and then forever churn out content that they assert ownership of. I don't want the suppression of ideas caused by others asserting that because they had an idea, they own it and can dictate who gets to use it. I also do not wish for another reign of terror. I don't think violence will make the world better, and I don't think disaffected chique will either. I advocate identifying problems, suggesting solutions to the problems and working with people to reach consensus to apply those solutions. I assume that humans are fundamentally good and in the absence of religion can generally be reasoned with. Even those who do things you disagree with probably are doing what they think is best. I may be wrong about the goodness of humanity, but it does not matter, If it exists it's worth working with. If it does not exist, it is not worth saving. I choose to assume that it exists on the chance that it might. | | |
| ▲ | thin_carapace 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | believing in the inherent good of humanity does somewhat justify your perspective, may life allow you to continue believing this way and may your pursuits be productive. I would recommend not to marginalize yourself, this action is tantamount to painting targets on your back for bad actors to aim at. corporations and governments are currently acting violently against the populace, a correspondingly heavy handed response is required if the populace does not wish to become soylent green. note that I have not explicitly advocated violent behaviour - rather I suggest that if our intelligence is not used against this tide, it may as well be part of the wave. thanks for your thoughtful response |
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| ▲ | weregiraffe 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Lol, now every pattern of speech is AI? How about we jusr stop talking then? | | |
| ▲ | thin_carapace 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I have noted the employment of a language technique that as per the wikipedia article "signs of AI writing" is commonly used by AI, you can attack facts all you like and that will indeed stop me from talking! | | |
| ▲ | Lerc 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think the distinction is that when an AI generates the phrase it chooses to use the negation and then fills in the terms. If it only has one thing to communicate at that point then it is essentially placing a redundant rephrasing on onr side of the negation. My use of it took the form of A statement on how a guillotine kills people when they are powerless. The negation then, in the first part compares that to the connotation of the previous post of an underdog battling those in power, and rejects it as inconsistent and the negation provides an alternative framing that is consistent with the action of killing a person who can no longer harm you. Both sides of the negation make a point. This is obviously much more common in a dialogue than a monologue, because the first part is used to reference words of the other party. In a monologue, that other party is the past self of the speaker, it suggests a change in position. I think models end up using as a short hand for realisation. Are there any good collections of negation usage in AI with the surrounding paragraphs? I'd be interested to see what percentage of them are an expression of self realisation. | | |
| ▲ | thin_carapace 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | language models are trained to maximise engagement and maximally convey meaning. binary contrast happens to achieve these goals by optimally translating the manifold. if I come across further research it would be interesting to continue our language related discussion. | | |
| ▲ | Lerc 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | >language models are trained to maximise engagement I have seen no research to that effect. >and maximally convey meaning Nobody knows how to measure that They are trained to complete sequences, then they are trained to engage in conversations, produce what people prefer (with a fairly crude measure of preference, hence the sycophancy). Reasoning models are trained to produce what an observer model think will give you the right answer, the observer model simultaneously learns the likelihood of producing the right answer. All these things train to improve a property that can be measured at training time. You could build a model to estimate engagement, but I have not seen any evidence that shipping LLMs have used a measure like this. I can't even imagine how you could tell if a measure of meaning was accurate or not, let alone how you could produce such a measure. You could try to measure information density, but that would also include noise. |
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| ▲ | microtonal 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It is the overuse of such tells. Please, let's not ban uses of not X, but Y completely. It's a rhetoric technique that is completely fine, with moderation. But real human will use them with moderation. Also, there is the issue of human language taking some 'tells' because they are exposed to LLM output a lot. I'm still grumpy that LLMs made it nearly impossible to use the words 'delve' or em-dashes without getting called out as an LLM. |
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| ▲ | senordevnyc 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What a revealing question. Only a child with zero exposure to the horrors of war would think that they’ll be better off in a world where we’re murdering the elites in droves. It’s laughably ignorant and hubristic. Fortunately, you keyboard warriors lack the skill, connections, and charisma to actually enact any of your bloodthirsty fantasies. | | |
| ▲ | thin_carapace 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | are you looking for a fight? I love fighting but I never said any of that. so I can't really defend the position, it isn't mine. | | |
| ▲ | senordevnyc 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | lol, yeah you did, unless you think your sad little attempt at the socratic method conceals your views? | | |
| ▲ | thin_carapace 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't know how to respond to your comment with decorum so I'm going to say goodbye, and pray that you mentor your juniors better than the way you treated me today mr senor dev | | |
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