| ▲ | DoneWithAllThat 11 hours ago | |||||||||||||||||||
The idea that surveillance undermines high trust societies seems insane to me. Widespread petty crime, lack of shared cultural norms and traditions, lacking of missing social reinforcement of expectations of a society - those are what prevent high trust societies from forming. I consider those things a much worse problem then Flock cameras. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | nemothekid 11 hours ago | parent | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||
>The idea that surveillance undermines high trust societies seems insane to me. Only because, I'm betting, that you view street surveillance as something that binds others, but not yourself. I doubt you would make this argument for any other kind of surveillance. If Microsoft were to record everything you did on your PC, would you consider Windows the "high trust" OS community vs Linux? Of if your employer began surveilling all your devices (including personal ones) to ensure you weren't stealing from the company, would you consider your company one of "high trust"? I don't deny that surveillance can reduce crime, but the idea that surveillance undermines high trust societies is relatively straightforward | ||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | raxxorraxor 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||
No, we had high trust societies before the shitty surveillance tech. There are quite a few effects that undermine it even and this tech is part of the reason why. It is part of the problem, not part of a solution. | ||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | mlrtime 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | |||||||||||||||||||
100% Agree. And I'll go further saying the highest trust societies I've lived in have been medium-size, rural/suburban. Everyone is in the social/economic class, similar traditions/backgrounds, similar church etc... | ||||||||||||||||||||
| ▲ | LtWorf 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | |||||||||||||||||||
I don't think surveillance prevents crime. Not having so many poor people prevents crime. Some people will always be antisocial due to tendencies and possibly mental illness, but having a society that is so rich and yet has so many poor people as the USA will of course create criminals. No amount of cameras will solve that. | ||||||||||||||||||||
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