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spenvo 13 hours ago

"Anthropic and OpenAI likely have among the lowest costs per unit of frontier-quality intelligence"

That's a big claim that his whole thesis rests on but is largely not backed up. Where are the apples-to-apples tokens-to-answer benchmarks that he's using - doesn't look like there are any, just a handwavy implication that US models are more token efficient, which they may be. But how is there so little effort in establishing this point in the article? And US labs may be in much different situations from one another: it's known that some labs like OpenAI bought big, early on compute and may have secured better pricing.

His article also does not mention the average price of electricity in China vs the US, which it seems like China leads on, and probably has the political power to more heavily subsidize. While I agree the COGS is often overlooked by top line benchmarks on coding tasks, etc, it seems that he's running on a big assumption while claiming "labs on the frontier will be fine".

c0decracker 13 hours ago | parent [-]

But.. if you are running Chinese model in the US, what difference does it make? Isn't the whole "scare" (khm khm) with Kimis is that now I don't need Claude, cause I can run Kimi on my own hardware in my own datacenter and it's maybe not as good as Claude July edition but it's is as good as Claude January edition.

richardlblair 13 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It doesn't need to be as good. You can route to the appropriate model and save so much money.

I have sonnet do the thinking, deepseek does all the tasks. I've massively reduced costs with this approach.

spenvo 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Sure, and I think that flexibility further undercuts his "frontier labs will be fine" take, which depends on top US labs having pricing power.