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appplication 14 hours ago

I think there are some really interesting thought there, but I’d challenge some of this:

> Models are not free. Downloading them is free. Running them is not. This has manufacturing economics, not software economics; the idea that they are "free" is an economic category error as it relates to their actual use

I think a large part of manufacturing economics is illiquid overhead and the cost of expertise to set up and run your manufacturing line. Compute economics don’t have the same illiquidity nor do they require the same expertise or even specialized infra (current temporary chip shortage aside).

The implications of this are small players (e.g. your uncle running an inference server out of his garage) have comparably efficient marginal costs as big players. Compare this to actual manufacturing where small players have essentially no access to the manufacturing facilities of the big players.

Additionally, big players with a lot of compute who are not meaningfully in inference today (e.g. Amazon) have a fairly straightforward glide path to utilizing that compute to compete.

> This is because US labs are leading on cost efficacy of inference ($/task)

It’s possible, but I would need to see better data on this.

>A big part of training now is optimizing token efficiency. It's hard to distill token efficiency; that is perhaps why Chinese LLMs are so inefficient.

I think it’s fair to assume this is true, but also token efficiency is not a meaningful competitive moat. It’s not like these are secrets the Chinese will never figure out, it’s a fairly active research space and the outcomes are quantifiable.

senderista 13 hours ago | parent [-]

Amazon is not "meaningfully in inference"? Bedrock seems to have a ton of enterprise customers, some of which would never trust the AI labs themselves with their data but will trust Amazon.

cdud3 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A lot of this companies are also in parallel evaluating running Chinese models inhouse to be independent of the good will and profit margins of externals.

This is where Oracles "datacenters for rent to run your own Chinese models" strategy will benefit. The LLM SaaS game is a lost one thanks to China.

appplication 13 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Relative to their other compute or other players inference, not as significantly. Though yes, they certainly have some share.