In that case is there not some open harness that demand can coalesce around?

Maxatar 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

There are but then you're required to pay API prices for them which can end up costing significant multiples of the price of the subscription.

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jaggederest 20 hours ago | parent [-]

I am confused why they don't just offer a subscription with bring-your-own-harness, that would be a differentiator from claude/codex I think.

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bglusman 20 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Actually unless they’ve changed substantially Kimi kind of does this? It’s not as advertised/focused on and the API is a little nonstandard making it hard to plug some things into, but, unlike Claude they’ll actually give you an API key you can use directly as part of your unmetered subscription. I played with it for a month or two out of curiosity, it ls not a bad value though a bit brittle and stuff

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john01dav 20 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The Chinese api prices are already so cheap that that is arguably not needed.

You can also get $10/month opencode go (which officially can be used with any harness) with basically every major open weight model running inference in a place that I deem more trustworthy than the subject-to-Chinese-law inference options (but research this for yourself, there are some asterisks). This is what I use (in opencode) when I want an agent for personal use. Even if I'm being fairly intense with my usage by my standards anyway), I haven't managed to run out (yet), although I usually use the cheaper models (deepseek v4 is my favorite, and I've used both flash and pro).

From the FAQ:

> The plan is designed primarily for international users, with models hosted in the US, EU, and Singapore for stable global access. Our providers follow a zero-retention policy and do not use your data for model training.

And:

> Yes, you can use Go with any agent. Follow the setup instructions in your preferred coding agent.

	▲	wasfgwp 11 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Isn’t OpenCode just reselling Deepseek’s tokens over the same API? For v4-pro the prices from other providers on OpenRouter are way higher so what else could it be? Opencode Go already seems extremely unprofitable if people use up at least 30% of their monthly tokens so its hard to imagine they’d go with several times more expensive inference provider yet show Deepseek pricing on their page.

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wasfgwp 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I think that pretty much all Chinese providers do that?

And Codex obviously allows that as well. Anthropic is pretty the main exception.

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sroussey 20 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Negative margins to have you hooked on someone else’s software?

	▲	jaggederest 16 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I am gently presuming that they are not selling tokens at a loss in their all-you-can-eat plans like the frontier models are, but maybe I'm wrong.

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Gigachad 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Vs code copilot lets you bring your own api key for services like open router. But it usually only makes sense to do this with the Chinese models because OpenAI/Google/Anthropic heavily punish you for not using their proprietary lock in harness.