You could say that both of them stole, but different stuff.

azinman2 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Don’t forget that the Chinese models are also built on top of huge amounts of “stolen data” as well, beyond the distilled. So it’s basically all of the above. However, there’s no mechanism for the NYT or an author or anyone in the US to sue the Chinese companies that took their work.

	▲	ChrisLTD 19 hours ago \| parent [-]
		and if you're an author that lives outside the United States?

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jdkee 19 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You can't steal intellectual property, only infringe on the copyright holder.

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azinman2 19 hours ago | parent [-]

The Chinese models poked and prodded better models for training data and to avoid having to pay humans to RLHF themselves. You can call it infringement, theft, whatever, but it’s quite obviously “not ethical” to me.

	▲	throw-the-towel 19 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Looks like these humans' jobs got replaced by AI.