"you will own nothing and be happy"..no thank you!

wateralien 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Fair enough. But you do realize that all ownership is a made-up shared fiction that most people believe as real.

	▲	ifdefdebug 21 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		As long as trying to break that fiction has real-world consequences like jail time etc., it will work anyway.
	▲	RandomLensman 21 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		That is sufficient to make it real for most intents and purposes.
	▲	nh23423fefe 21 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Why is this skeptical property anti-realism useful? This argument obviously proves too much.

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jplrssn 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I always thought the “you will own nothing” expression referred to a Gini coefficient of 1, not 0.

The intent of abolishing private property would presumably be the latter.

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inigyou 21 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Capitalists say "you will own nothing" and want a Gini coefficient of 1. Communists don't say "you will own nothing" - they say "abolish private property" and refer to a Gini coefficient of 0.

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hughw 18 hours ago | parent [-]

communists really say "social ownership of the means of production"

	▲	kakacik an hour ago \| parent [-]
		It was tried many times, it never worked for exactly 1 same reason over and over again - for all that utopia to actually work sustainably long term, it expects ideal citizens. As in selfless, truly dedicated to society above their own needs, uncorruptable and non-realistic in other ways. I've seen it personally fail miserably and destroy entire nation's spirit for generations to come (on top of other things destroyed for good). Needless to say, capitalism with its harshness to laziness and carrot on the stick for hard workers got within 2 generations massively ahead, to the point where Gorbachev didn't believe it wasn't Potemkin village setup when visiting some random grocery store in western Germany and seeing the vast amount of produce and quality available to everybody, on level even he personally could only dream of back home.

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rexpop 21 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Depends on if you're scaremongering about Capitalists or Commies.

	▲	jplrssn 21 hours ago \| parent [-]
		That’s true. But in a world with monthly toothbrush subscriptions one of those end states feels much closer than the other.