It's possible to intelligently discuss the merits of Chinese society and also acknowledge that it's a brutal autocracy.

Making some kind of equivalence of the two in terms of the rights of the individual is so ridiculous that nobody is going to take anything you say after that seriously, you do your arguments a disservice by doing it.

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throwaway-11-1 19 hours ago | parent [-]

The rights of which individuals? You’re familiar with nspm-7, right?

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bryanlarsen 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That you can freely talk about nspm-7 on an American forum without fear of being disappeared shows that America and China are not at the same level.

Yet.

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cultofmetatron 19 hours ago | parent | next [-]

"Yet" is the keyword. it won't be long before we arent' any different from china at the rate we are going at and I think a lot of us would be better off preventing the west from turning into an oppressive autocracy instead of judging china.

	▲	bryanlarsen 19 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Saying that the US and China are currently the same is admitting defeat and giving up the fight before the fight has actually been lost.

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HDBaseT 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You can talk about it, but the hidden social credit system operated by the 3-letter agencies in conjunction with techno-feudalism oligarchs designed explicitly to bypass constitutional rights is very real and has very real long term consequences for your privacy and freedom.

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idiotsecant 17 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The fact that this text still exists alone is enough to prove my point.