| |
| ▲ | Lerc a day ago | parent | next [-] | | >"Anti-AI psychosis" will probably grow to outcompete AI psychosis by year's end. Everyone has their own experiences making it hard to judge what attitudes are prevalent. From what I have encountered the Anti-AI people have been more common and more outright scary. I have heard some ideas from the Pro AI crowd and thought to myself "Yeah, that's not going to happen anytime soon", There was enthusiasm leading to overoptimism. A lot of them are going to be disappointed. The Anti AI crowd, which I distinguish from those who want AI done responsibly, sustainably, and as safe as can be realistically be managed. There are real criticisms to be made on real issues here. The Anti AI crowd I see seem to want to scrub the world of it, they stand in the way of any responsible implementation because it would be accepting it. Those people scare me, the vitriol and bad faith interpretation of everything as an indicator of the proof of their reality has the tone of the moral righteousness of a true believer. The outright endorsement of violent acts has me concerned that the more radical or emotionally unstable of the group will do some serious harm. It's not the bulk of a radical movement that causes atrocities, most of those involved just create an environment that normalises toxic attitudes. That environment can incubate a few individuals that act, either for phycological reasons, status, or simple the inability to empathise or consider consequences. | | |
| ▲ | thin_carapace a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I've seen plenty videos of locals being violently removed from town halls due to displaying of anti AI sentiment. I wouldnt consider it fair to use these examples to tar the entirety of the pro AI camp. the way objectivity and subjectivity are intertwined in your comment is spectacular, ever considered a career in propaganda? | | |
| ▲ | handoflixue 10 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Accuse the enemy of propaganda; insist there's plenty of evidence without linking a single source... Have you considered maybe reading this comment out loud in front of a mirror? | | |
| ▲ | thin_carapace an hour ago | parent [-] | | umm have you considered that you can go to youtube and verify my claim whereas the other interlocutor explicitly refers to unverifiable personal anecdotes? and did you want to verify that I explicitly accused someone of propaganda? |
| |
| ▲ | Lerc a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Do you have links to these videos? You comment suggests you feel there is something wrong with what I said, could you elaborate? | | |
| ▲ | EagnaIonat 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | They are probably talking about data centres and town hall meetings where people are objecting and being removed. Even a casual search you will find numerous videos. The only issue I see with your comment (and this thread stems off the misreading of my post), is that despite your "I see the difference" it is still labelling one side. In truth, there are crazy people everywhere. | | |
| ▲ | Lerc 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't think it was a misunderstanding, the comment was not addressing the content of your post, but rather the descision to bring it up in a context where they thought it not relevant. |
|
|
| |
| ▲ | slopinthebag a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I initially wanted to downvote you but I can’t because you’re right. I’d probably be called an anti-ai luddite on this site despite using it all the time for programming. I naturally gravitate to anti-ai viewpoints, but only because the breathless hype of the AI boosters is so nauseating. I have no moral qualms about AI (although I’d like nothing more than Anthropic/OAI/Google dismantled), but I really hate the idea that AI can replace artists, or humans as a whole. I think it’s anti-human to its core. But AI is obviously useful and we could harness it for good. We shouldn’t give up on it entirely. And the people who are militantly against all usage are scarier than the boosters for sure. | | |
| ▲ | jll29 a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I understand you. As an AI research (actually, despite formally called professor of AI, I have historically always
called myself more specifically NLP/IR/ML researcher rather than "AI" researcher, to avoid historic baggage). I am intellectually curious whether "intelligence" and "consciousness" are simply layers that can be separated from the hardware they operate on or first emerged from, but
I never had the urge or saw the point to practically replace
human beings by machines. Not everything that can be done should be done. When I go to a supermarket, I always avoid self check-out. Why? First, I enjoy human interaction, even if machines may be more efficient (not yet the case). Second, I don't want the people working at the checkout to lose their jobs. When we purchased a GPU cluster, I felt bad when I learned that the electricity bill was going to be north of 60 000 EUR every year (that number apparently assumes no jobs are running - so 100% idle time). | | |
| ▲ | Lerc 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | >Not everything that can be done should be done. My concern is that people are being cavalier about the possibility of creating things that should have rights. There will always be people who will never accept that a machine has awareness or rights. I suspect the major AI companies are doing there best to not have this talked about. As soon as it becomes a broad topic of conversation, it becomes a religious issue. The Discovery Institute is already spending money on this. People worry about a machine that wants to kill us. For that to happen, someone has to have made a machine that wants. That is not something that should be done carelessly. |
| |
| ▲ | Lerc a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > I really hate the idea that AI can replace artists, or humans as a whole. I think it’s anti-human to its core. AI can no more replace artists, than other artists can. A sunset can be nice to look at yet be created without meaning. Any non-conscious process that produces images can produce beauty that has worth without intentionality. Any conscious process that produces artworks is just another artist. Most artists would rather there be more artists in the world than fewer. If AI can't make art, it can't replace artists. If AI can make art (of the conscious intent form) then there are more artists. | | |
| ▲ | slopinthebag a day ago | parent [-] | | Well, I think an AI model could replace artists in a meaningful way without being conscious. So you end up with less artists. Art is about human expression, it's not about the reflection of light off a surface. But economically I could see a world in which human expression is replaced by a facsimile and the world would be worse off for it. And that is what scares me. Brave new world indeed. edit: whoever downvoted the person replying to me, shame on you. they make good points and makes for good discussion. | | |
| ▲ | Lerc a day ago | parent [-] | | I think the fundamental problem is that art is not economical. Banksy once made a comment about the advertising industry, more or less to the effect that for all the corrupting influence of Advertising, the thing he truly hates about it is that it consumes the most creative people to do so. People will make things they don't care about to survive. This is how we get reality television. Irrespective of what the short term future of AI is, sooner or later there will be technical means of sustaining yourself without needing to work. If we aim for a society that values working on something because they believe in it, then we could have a better world. Right now it seems the only thing a lot of people are aiming for is to undermine whatever their adversaries want. |
|
| |
| ▲ | handoflixue 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I really hate the idea that AI can replace artists, or humans as a whole. I think it’s anti-human to its core. I've never understood this idea that art is some special, unique domain. We already replaced humans with cameras and yet I don't see a whole lot of "cameras sacrifice our humanity" discourse. People still enjoy tons of hobbies where humans are clearly worse than machines - they ride horses, they do sewing, there's a whole industry of hand-crafted goods. I mean, goodness, the Olympics is a celebration human triumph, and yet cars make our sprinters look pathetic. |
|
| |
| ▲ | EagnaIonat 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I was responding to the person, not the top post. I find it funny to be "anti-ai" when I work in the field. Pointing out dangers that need to be addressed isn't being Anti-AI. I didn't comment on the top post because it's not my area. | |
| ▲ | senraex a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is just a form of mass stupidity by the non-intellectually curious people who massively overrate their own intelligence. Sorry, but if the current models haven't shown you something amazing at this point that would make this of little surprise, it because the person is an intellectual bore and completely full of shit themselves. |
|
