Alibaba isn’t really the Chinese government though, or are you saying Americans will think that ever since Jack Ma was harmonized?

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derektank a day ago | parent | next [-]

I think trying to tease apart the private and public sector is very hard in China. Setting aside state owned enterprises, even nominally private companies that employ at least 3 CCP members are required by law to form a party committee within the company to represent party interests. And given the party functionally is the government, you have a situation where the government has representatives inside every major private company. There’s no obvious parallel to this in western countries.

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elmer2 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Any large company in China is only allowed to get this way by direct control from the CCP.

This isn't really anything nee and I thought it was common knowledge by now.

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asdewqqwer a day ago | parent [-]

I thought it should always be common knowledge that there is no way for any organization of 100m people to have one single mind.

	▲	varjag a day ago \| parent [-]
		There are numerous institutions that have agenda transcending individuals. Communist parties are very prominent among them.

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traceroute66 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

> are you saying Americans will think that

I wasn't saying anything about what Americans would think.

I was saying about what they would inevitably be told by US politicians and by US AI companies.

If you were a sales-rep or marketeer at a US AI company, I bet you would be using the old "evil communists" routine in relation to any closed Chinese model.

I was saying that by releasing as open weights, the company has removed that line of argument.

Clearly I was a bit broad in my use of "the Chinese" when in this case it was, as you say, a Chinese company.

	▲	seanmcdirmid a day ago \| parent [-]
		US politicians are all over the map on this, but they aren’t really talking about Chinese AI much, it’s not as visible or tangible to most Americans like TikTok was.