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brookst 6 hours ago

Does it matter? As an end user I really only care about 1) how much I can do in a week, and 2) how long each task takes.

Subsidies would affect 1, but not 2. But if some VC wants to subsidize my Claude or Codex or whatever, awesome.

mips_avatar 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The more important question than subsidy is what is the tokenomics of running the model. If it's inefficient to run on an nvl72 cluster (or whatever the heck has enough vram to run a 3T parameter model), and k3 isn't very token efficient, then it might not be that compelling of an open weights model.

recursive 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It doesn't matter if you can switch easily. It might matter if there are barriers to switching.

popalchemist 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Subsidization could affect both of those. If you have $200B in the bank you can afford to throw massive compute at every single request; if you are less well funded, you might throttle more aggressively.

Additionally that same VC could be (read: is always) spent on developing the harness, and other infrastructure around the model, not just the model itself.

So it's apples-to-oranges when comparing a relatively new model to established competitors (i.e. OpenAI @ $900B funding vs Moonshot/Kimi's $30B FYI) because every new model they release is judged on "performance" which is not strictly speaking derived solely from the model.

It's possible Moonshot could get similar performance over time as the build out the rest of the infrastructure. We have no way of knowing how much of OpenAI/Anthropic's success is due to the model vs intelligent tooling built on top of it.