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orbital-decay 4 hours ago

>This situation has.. no precedent as far as I can tell..

Printer, mouse, tablet and display tablet makers use this to insert their crapware since at least Windows Vista or Windows 7, I think. The last one I remember is plugging a Razer mouse just to watch it instantly pulling 1.5GB of bloated junk with "telemetry" exfiltrating the data from my gaming PC in realtime. At least it doesn't leave my mouse in a non-working state when I disconnect the internet, like it used to. Thanks, Razer!

Microsoft is to blame here, really. They have a mechanism to block any vendor (supposedly to avoid reputational risks to their brand due to buggy drivers, at least that was their excuse back in the day), but aren't even using it to block these contraptions. Entire businesses are built on this, e.g. Razer is probably more of a marketing/data company now rather than a hardware shop.

yndoendo 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Back in my Window days. I would start the driver installation and let it sit. Open the temp folder and copy content the install extracted to a new directory. Cancel the installation. Open Device Manager and install the drivers from there so non of the excessive bloat was installed.

This worked greater with being an IT consultant. The client's machine to run smoother and drivers installed fast since they would buy multiples of the same equipment at once.

Now I only use Linux on personal equipment. You have to pay me to use Microsoft products. Microsoft has become shit-ware.

RajT88 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

7zip will do the trick for a lot of self extractors.

clickety_clack 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

These days, even a window gets updates.

jayd16 6 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Microsoft could end up being a higher barrier but how much do we really want that?

To me, it seems like LG is the one to blame.

thewebguyd an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> but aren't even using it to block these contraptions

Even worse, this one is installed via Windows update. I have an LG monitor and noticed the stupid LG app all of the sudden, uninstalled it, and saw it pop up again as an update in Windows update.

Microsoft is actively enabling this behavior.

benoau 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My Logitech mouse does this but it prompts to install their crapware and adds that to the startup programs, it's not automatically installed.

stego-tech 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This. Microsoft has chosen to allow this functionality, despite it being a very clear breach of trust with customers.

LG/Dell/et al should be shamed and blamed for even trying this shit in the first place, but it’s Microsoft who holds the blame for allowing such malware and spyware trash through their own update service.

solarkraft 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You’re acting like Microsoft aren’t pushing malware themselves.

tbrake 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's just a parallel fact, no one's "acting" like anything?

What were you actually trying to say?

brookst 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How in the world does that absolve Dell/etc, OR reduce Microsoft’s culpability for letting their update service be abused?

kjs3 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The last one I remember is plugging a Razer mouse

Oh, yeah. Bought this overpriced but heavily hyped Razer mouse and it wouldn't even work right until it had an internet connection. A MOUSE. I'd never encountered something so blatantly customer hostile in my life. Never even looked at another Razer product, never will, and will tell anyone who will listen that Razer is a terrible company full of objectively terrible people.

Chaosvex 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Razer was always low quality garbage at premium prices. Gamer marketing for you.

kjs3 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Gamer marketing for you.

Which I fell for. Fool me once and all that...

dimgl 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What do you recommend instead? In my opinion the Razer mice are always superior for FPS.

ak217 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Logitech all the way.

Logitech is a truly innovative company. They actually care deeply about ergonomics. They also introduced the first mass market application of programmable magnets (in the MX Master mouse scroll wheel) - that's incredibly advanced materials science.

orbital-decay 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Some Razer mice were somewhat good in the times when the sensor mattered, with the rest of them being absolute garbage (starting with the Copperhead which barely worked). Today there's a ton of niche manufacturers with great internals that will exceed any requirements you might possibly have.

If you're really interested in FPS performance and not just the brand, choose for the ergonomics first, it's not possible to recommend anything without knowing your play style, hand size etc. The shape and weight you like, and complementary feet and mat with the exact static/dynamic friction you need. Then check if the internals are good enough (they likely are) and whether there are any firmware issues like extra jitter on flicks or unavoidable debounce lag, then look at the required software. There's a ton of mice with excellent performance that are configurable without ANY software.

sbrother an hour ago | parent [-]

> choose for the ergonomics first

This is unfortunately why I keep buying the Razer Deathadder Pro. It fits my hand perfectly and is super accurate. I hate their software, and the company, but the performance and ergonomics of the mouse are worth it to me.

orbital-decay an hour ago | parent [-]

DA has probably the most widely cloned shape in the market and has many identical or compatible alternatives and clones, check e.g. MCHOSE A7 Ultra RE or Pulsar Xlite v4 Large (never had either so can't vouch for their software)

https://www.eloshapes.com/mouse/compare?p=razer-deathadder-v...

https://www.rtings.com/mouse/tools/3d-model-shape-compare/3d...

aeon_ai an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Logitech have always made great gaming mice in my experience, at a reasonable price

LoganDark an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I know hardly anything about FPS but the reason I like Razer mice is the hardware macros. Configuration profiles are saved to the device and macros are performed at the hardware level. Some actions work with the razer software but most of them don't have to.