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delta_p_delta_x 6 hours ago

Workaround:

  gpedit.msc
  Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > System > Device Installation
  Prevent automatic download of applications associated with device metadata
  Set to enabled
  OK
On home editions sans gpedit.msc:

  sysdm.cpl
  Hardware tab
  Click Device Installation Settings
  Under 'Do you want to automatically download manufacturers' apps for your devices?', select 'No'
  Save Changes
Someone1234 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Worth noting that gpedit.msc isn't included in Windows Home editions (although there are unsupported ways of adding it). This is also technically asking a lot for working around issues that shouldn't exist.

Microsoft needs to intervene here, this cannot be a normal expectation for using their product.

yonatan8070 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Microsoft needs to intervene here

Yeah, they've never pushed ads or installed software without the user's consent.

AlienRobot 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Me on Windows 7: I don't want to use Linux, you have to keep configuring every single thing so it works.

Me on Linux: I don't want to use Windows, you have to keep configuring every single thing so it doesn't show ads.

VorpalWay 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Linux usability has come a long way in recent years. I switched full time to Linux in 2006, but I can absolutely understand those who wouldn't back then.

These days? Unless there is a specific piece of software that can't run on Linux (or under Wine), and there is no suitable replacement for it? Yeah I don't know why you would voluntarily stay on Windows (note voluntarily, if IT policy says you must that doesn't count).

miki123211 an hour ago | parent [-]

Accessibility.

All accessibility stacks sucks in some respect, but Linux's sucks most of all, and Wayland people in particular don't seem to be willing to compromise on security (which is required for accessibility to work).

driverdan 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Can you even disable all the ads on Windows 11?

delta_p_delta_x 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Edited with another method.

Someone1234 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's great, thank you.

What's frustrating about that is that Microsoft has also gone out of their way to make it difficult to access the [legacy] System Properties (sysdm.cpl), while not fully reimplementing all the features into the Settings app. Including this one.

They've only been working on this 10+ years...

delta_p_delta_x 3 hours ago | parent [-]

*.cpl, *.msc, etc are Windows sysadmins' (and developers') bread and butter; Microsoft will never get rid of them. I am betting (maybe hoping...?) that Windows 12 will undo the changes in Windows 8, 10, and 11 as bad experiments and return to what Windows has done best, which is discoverable GUI configuration. Let's see.

Someone1234 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You're much more "glass half full" than me, but one can dream.

fuzzfactor 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Also found in the GUI:

  System > About > Advanced System Settings link > Hardware tab > Device installation settings
  Do you want to automatically download manufacturers' apps for your devices?
  set to No
The default setting has been "Yes" for a very long time but most monitors over the years have simply used the default plug-and-play Windows monitor driver instead of installing their own. Triggering no additional downloads for the life of most computers. It just so happens that monitor manufacturers better adhered to the Microsoft guidelines for hardware compatibility earlier and more adequately than most devices. This might very well have been a reliability tactic since graphics drivers were still quite a moving-target shitshow, which in some ways is still ongoing.

So people have mostly never gotten accustomed to monitor drivers having any consideration at all, while drivers for graphics themselves and other new hardware has often had some associated downloads that people have become familiar dealing with.

Looks like LG finally took this long-standing opportunity to do some deeper enshittification than previously imagined. Simply taking advantage of a domino effect that has been lurking for decades.

A couple other related gpedit options if you don't even want the drivers themselves to change after you have gotten them correctly installed:

  gpedit.msc
  Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > System > Internet Communication Management > Internet Communication settings
  Turn off Windows Update device driver searching
  Set to enabled
  OK
  
  gpedit.msc
  Computer Configuration > Administrative Templates > Windows Components > Windows Update > Manage updates offered from Windows Update > 
  Do not include drivers with Windows Update
  Set to enabled
  OK
mrbluecoat 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Very helpful, thank you. But it does remind me of that Yzma quote in The Emperor's New Groove: "Why do we even have that lever?"

delta_p_delta_x 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> Why do we even have that lever

For plug-and-play devices with multiple configuration knobs. It is nice to be able to click through a printer wizard to configure how one wants to print their documents. Likewise with an audio interface: loopback settings, codec, sampling rate, gain and volume of channels, etc. Or consider a USB CNC mill; configuring things like milling revolution rate, setting which bit is installed, what lubricant is used, etc. Or consider the Nvidia/AMD control panels for their GPUs; things like colour depth and space, resolution, scaling, anti-aliasing, vertical synch, power settings, etc.

Some of these settings are device- and even manufacturer-specific; one might argue these are more than a driver or the platform can or should provide. That being said, this stuff should go into a user-mode driver...

That LG have exploited this functionality to install adware is on them.

miki123211 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

For audio interfaces, HDAudio lets you do most of this. What the extra software gives you instead is often some crappy DSP that increases latency and messes with sound quality.

For years, Dell's / Realtek's software had an unpaged memory leak somewhere. If you were using a screen reader (I guess they must interact with audio devices in some very specific way that Realtek hasn't accounted for), your system would eventually run out of RAM and BSOD. They didn't fix this until Microsoft and a few screen reader vendors intervened. "Don't buy Dell" was a standard recommendation in the blind community for years, which didn't help if you had a work PC with no local admin.

nottorp 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> It is nice to be able to click

You said click. This happens without clicking anything.

Brian_K_White 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If there is a system where someone smashes through your wall to deliver you some food, and we ask "why do we even have this guy-smashes-through-wall system?", "So we can have dinner" does not answer that question.

Saris 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Oh definitely, it's more a question of why Microsoft allows any 'driver utility' to have internet access or do anything outside of just configuring the hardware.

tremon 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> why Microsoft allows any 'driver utility' to have internet access

Firmware updates for devices are not a thing in your world?

Saris 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It seems like windows update should handle distributing the verified new firmware file if it is also distributing the driver utility to avoid any issues like this post talks about.

tremon 3 hours ago | parent [-]

That would be a good idea actually, but I'm not sure how viable that is within the current Windows Update instrumentation. Allowing local binaries to fetch random URLs through the Windows Update API is no different from them using the HTTP Service unless there's some kind of whitelisting/validation happening there. The alternative would be that Microsoft uses their own Windows Update cdn to host random firmware files that they're not able to verify themselves. Both cases sound like maintenance overhead for Microsoft without benefit to them.

VorpalWay 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

There is no reason we need a badly coded vendor control panel to install firmware upgrades though. On Linux https://fwupd.org/ is a database for vendor firmware, and you use one shared open source took to install upgrades for all devices attached to your system.

darig 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

[dead]

szundi 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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Grombobulous 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is getting technical enough that you might as well install Linux if you figure out how to do this.

In other words, we all know that regular consumers will never find this and they’ll never understand that their LG software is spyware in the first place.

fuzzfactor 3 hours ago | parent [-]

>regular consumers will never find this and they’ll never understand that their LG software is spyware in the first place.

Keep in mind the well-known quote from so many pages of Microsoft documentation over the decades, where the main useful function of a feature is the only one completely crippled in what's obviously got to be a complete engineering snafu:

"This is by design."

rkourdis 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I had a mouse that would keep on installing its driver when plugged in, even with this setting off.

I remember Windows keeping a cache of autodownloaded drivers ("Driver Store") and reinstalling them when the device is plugged in, so the mouse bloatware kept on coming back.

Is this still the case?

MaxL93 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You have to add keys under:

Computer\HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\DeviceInstall\Restrictions

The keys I have right now are all REG_SZ (strings), and in order of "1" through "5", are:

---

1. SWC\VEN_DELL&DEV_AWCC

2. SWC\VID_DELL&PID_AWCC

3. SWC\Alienware_Command_Center

4. SWC\AWCC

5. SWC\VID001&PID0001&AWCCWINUI3APP

---

Nothing short of this prevented "Alienware Command Center" (AWCC.exe) from pushing itself onto my machine because of my Alienware OLED monitor.

I should note it's possible to shoot yourself in the foot there; I had entries 6, 7, and 8 blocking SWC\Generic, SWD\GenericRaw, and SWD\Generic — and that prevented Audio Endpoints from being mounted...

delta_p_delta_x 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You only need (5) (see the AWCCWINUI3APP thing there?). There is also a group policy equivalent to this:

  Computer Configuration\Administrative Templates\System\Device Installation\Device Installation Restrictions
  Prevent installation of devices that match any of these device IDs
  Set to Enabled
  Enable Also apply to matching devices that are already installed
  
Add the following two IDs:

  MONITOR\DELA246
  SWC\VID001&PID0001&AWCCWINUI3APP
IMO this is especially heinous as Dell have registered the AWCC.exe software component as a hardware 'device' within the device tree that needs its own 'driver'. Methinks Microsoft need to tighten the noose on these annoying OEMs.
r1ch 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Even that isn't sufficient - I've been using this for years and every so often AWCC still manages to get through. The only 100% protection from it is to use Image File Execution Options to match on the installer name to prevent it from ever running.

throw0101a 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> On home editions sans gpedit.msc:

I've managed to generally avoid running Windows (at home and at work) for a long time now, but if there was a situation where I needed to get a PC (at home?), is there a recommended least-sucky way of living with?

Are there editions or scripts or a setup workflow that would make it suck less?

delta_p_delta_x 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Use autounattend.xml[1] to pre-configure an image before installation. This is what corporate sysadmins have done in the past three decades to administer Windows NT fleets. Use PowerShell and various admin modules to configure an online installation.

Then, to get a better version of Windows, use MAS[2].

[1]: https://schneegans.de/windows/unattend-generator/

[2]: https://massgrave.dev/

hamburglar 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To be frank, no. In order to make windows not suck, you must invest a lot of time into knowing what to disable on the various SKUs, and in my opinion, it stopped being worth it around the time of windows vista (2006-7ish). I worked for Microsoft back then and ever since I left in 2007 i have thankfully been able to have a no-windows policy. I did briefly try going back last year for Unity dev but it was a mistake that made me want to quit computers entirely.

warshinder 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Don’t turn it on unless you need to print something.

ImPostingOnHN 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yes, Windows LTSC is an edition without as much crap.

Haven't used it lately (over 2 decades with linux as daily driver), so can't personally vouch for it.

Hizonner 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Superior workaround:

1. Reset machine 2. Tap the BIOS setup key (often DEL) during the time before it boots. 3. Insert intallation media for a decent OS 4. ...