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First atmosphere found on Earth-like planet in habitable zone of distant star(bbc.com)
50 points by neversaydie an hour ago | 32 comments
mekdoonggi 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

We should build a solar lens telescope. By the time we're ready to use it, we'll have a bunch of candidates to point it at.

myrmidon 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

There is no "building" such a thing. All we could do right now is send the "telescope probe" >500AU away, on the opposite side of the sun from the observation target, then hope it still works 80 years later or so when it gets there.

jcims 3 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The wild thing is that, if I understand it correctly, if you were floating in a spacesuit at the same spot you'd also see that resolution (likely highly distorted) with the naked eye.

sgt 16 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

In theory we can then get 100 meter resolution on alien worlds. That would be insane.

mekdoonggi 2 minutes ago | parent [-]

According to AI, an equivalent would be roughly when Google maps shows you 10mi/20km reference scale.

Turning off the labels, aliens would probably assume that the world is naturally full of green stuff that is dealing with some strange grey infestation.

jimbokun an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

48 light years is in our back yard.

Close enough that we could probably develop a probe to get there in the next few centuries and check it out. What are the current popular candidates for propulsion systems capable of accelerating to near the speed of light?

andy_ppp 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Probably more likely that we work out how to fold spacetime than we get there in anything like a high enough percentage of the speed of light - the fastest object we ever made travelled at something like ~0.064% * C so we are looking at ~750 years with current technology and presumably we'd need to switch on the probe in 3/4 of a millennium and figure out how to slow it down and get it into some sort of orbit around the planet.

750 years is hard for me to get excited about even as a vampire.

buildbot 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

Honestly a near millennia long expedition would be very cool, and doesn’t seem too long on the scale of space stuff.

detritus 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

Perhaps, but it is horrifically long in terms of human stuff.

quaintdev 16 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If we design a probe that travels at speed of light it would reach there in 48 years and it would send back what it's seen after another 48 years. It would take multiple generations of scientists to work on this project. The longest we have worked on, are Voyager projects. Can we expect that level of commitments from our governments or corporations? Voyager became successful because people could see distant futures. We can barely plan few years ahead.

functionmouse 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

We cannot design a probe that travels at the speed of light.

slfnflctd 10 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> Can we expect that level of commitments from our governments or corporations?

Clearly, right now we cannot. This is one of the worst obstacles to progress in these areas that I see, and I don't see any obvious way to fix it.

The situation we're currently in would've been utterly unfathomable to me 30 years ago. I have lost a great deal of the hope and optimism I held in the past. Interstellar exploration is but one of many fields where we are suffering due to short term thinking.

1970-01-01 28 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Back yard meaning we can see it but never touch it. If the ship to get there was ready today, it would get there in the year one-million? Back yard is Mars, Venus, moon. And I'm being generous with Mars and Venus.

detritus 4 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yeah, if your username is any indication of your age, you've possibly taken much the same trajectory of pessimism that I have. As a youth, I assumed we'd be hitting multiple Cs or bending space time when I was an adult; As an adult I thought we might get a percentage of C and conquer the solar system; Now I realise Just How Much Effort it would be to accomplish much of any value on our own Moon, never mind Mars.

I still hold on to the idea that very long term we might make strides in our own solar system, but it is a depressingly-longer timescale than I always used to believe.

Unless we have some magic-level shift in our understanding of physics, we're never getting anything beyond Von Neumann probes to other stars, and even then we're talking thousands of years.

dijksterhuis 21 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> in the next few centuries

assuming we can make it another few centuries, which seems increasingly unlikely.

jonathaneunice 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Astrophage

Erenay09 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

Project Hail Mary :)

JMKH42 43 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

laser propelled solar sails are the only plausible solution at the moment and it is not a given that even that is possible. Lots of engineering challenges there that may not have solutions.

other ideas: 1. be way more patient 2. anti matter based propulsion (more out there than solar sails) 3. nuclear bomb based propulsion

One issue is as you get to these speed little bits of dust will anhillate the probe, so you need some kind of shielding, raising the mass budget, making it all the harder. A solar sail has to be able to survive holes getting poked it in it and still working, etc.

baron816 28 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Interstellar travel is probably not ever going to happen. Even if we have antimatter propulsion (which is still probably not practical even under ideal circumstances), we’re still talking hundreds of years of travel time to get to somewhere like this star.

This also goes for aliens visiting Earth. Interstellar travel is just so impractical that I don’t think anyone has come on safari to Earth.

Jeff_Brown 13 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

One of the Voyager probes measured the density of the interstellar vacuum at 80,000 protons (and the same number of electrons) per cubic meter. A proton going through a piece of aluminum foil delivers a roughly constant amount of energy regardless of speed; a relativistic proton will pinch through and carry most of its energy with it.

(No punchline; I just think that's cool. I understand that the real problem is the rare dust grain, not the ubiquitous gas.)

stevenwoo 20 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The political challenge of funding a laser program just for research for centuries seems just as daunting - lacking the capability for some self repairing, self healing devices, the automated or (lobster-ai) probe going to stars is just as far away as when Charles Stross first wrote about it in Accelerando some twenty years ago. Given the collapse of political norms, looking back, the decades long research projects of the US space program appear to be soon relics of the past.

0x59 30 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wouldn't bet on and as I understand theory allows a shorter routes. Major caveat is weve never observed them and their existence doesn't guarantee they're traversible.

What's exciting to me is that the existence of such a planet provides fuel for more research into the field.

WarmWash 36 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

If humans can't make the trip, what's the point besides maybe satiating curiosity in a few hundred years from now?

sebastianconcpt 32 minutes ago | parent [-]

Claude: give me all the schematics and operations manual of a production grade starship that can travel faster than light. Make no mistekaes.

DaveZale 22 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

need to get small fusion reactors online, then many options blossom.

And work out safe systems for hibernation, maybe rotate the crew in shifts

Oh yeah this is the stuff of science fiction coming to life

criddell 16 minutes ago | parent [-]

If we had a probe in orbit around this planet, do we have a way to stream data across 48 light years with any kind of reliability?

gibybo 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

Send a lot of them and have them act as relays

astral_drama 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How far will we peer into the unknown? What will we find out there?

singpolyma3 26 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

> The gas detected in the atmosphere is helium, which would not be able to support life

Nonsense. You mean not able to support terrestrial life.

hliyan 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Helium is a noble gas. It forms no bonds and is unable to produce even a simple molecule, let along the complex ones needed for life.

Nicholas_C 18 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I was skeptical about that as well so I googled it and:

>Helium cannot support life because it is a chemically inert noble gas. It does not form the complex, stable molecular structures (like carbon chains) required for biology. Unlike oxygen, it cannot be used by living organisms for cellular respiration to generate energy, making it an asphyxiant.

However, maybe we are projecting our current understanding of biology and shouldn't rule it out. I'm not a scientist so I have no idea.

jojogeo 19 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Would be briefly hilarious though as the squeaky response made it back through to mission control.