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| ▲ | benterix a day ago | parent | next [-] |
| I heard this false justification already in 2007, in spite of many customers asking for it. Incidentaly, smaller competitors solved this issue decades ago, while the big cloud decided it is more convenient never to implement it. |
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| ▲ | inigyou a day ago | parent [-] | | Big cloud didn't want to rewrite its billing systems from scratch to please its smallest customers. | | |
| ▲ | bcrosby95 a day ago | parent [-] | | With AI it should take like a weekend. | | |
| ▲ | inigyou 21 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think they already tried rewriting billing with AI. Very smartly they only tried rewriting the estimator first. This post is about the outcome of it. | |
| ▲ | thewhitetulip 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Weekend is too long bro! With AI they can weite 50 implementations in a single prompt. They clearly are using tooo many humans and that's why they're lagging More AI will 100% fix the issue lol |
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| ▲ | handoflixue a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Realtime billing seems entirely within the abilities of AWS. "Limits except for Storage" seems even easier - I don't think I've ever heard of a storage-based billing story, although I'm sure one or two exist |
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| ▲ | everforward a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Storage-based billing is huge, unless you mean something other than “places that make you pay for storage separately”. Also many places I’ve worked, storage is a huge part of the spend but that depends a lot on what you do. e-commerce doesn’t use a ton of it, but if you handle user-generated content or do any kind of training (LLM, computer vision, etc) then you can very much end up in a place where storage becomes a top line number for infra spend. GitHub pre-Copilot was probably like that. They host a shitload of data, most of which is just at rest the majority of the time. Storage and networking are probably the majority of their infra costs. | | |
| ▲ | inigyou a day ago | parent [-] | | Storage-based billing stories. When an account is hijacked it's always for compute, not storage. | | |
| ▲ | everforward a day ago | parent [-] | | Oh, I also don’t think I’ve ever seen that but I’m not surprised. Even if you could steal a huge amount of storage, filling it with data would take ages and the cat and mouse game of moving the data as hacks get uncovered would be untenable. I have seen things get hacked for bandwidth, back in the days before you could rent a gbps uplink from the cloud for $0.12. Some scene release groups would hack into universities or companies to do the initial seeding over their super fast links. It used storage, but that wasn’t really the goal. |
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| ▲ | Planktonne a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They could do it; they don't want to. | |
| ▲ | minitoar a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | What is a storage-based billing story? | | |
| ▲ | kgwgk a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Once upon a time in a cloud kingdom far, far away a big, beautiful bill was issued based on storage causing much disconcertion. Etc. | |
| ▲ | handoflixue 15 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Like kgwgk already said - people post the occasional horror story where they run up a huge AWS bill, either due to a run-away process or getting hacked. It seems to almost always be about Compute, not Storage. |
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| ▲ | SAI_Peregrinus a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > and they also imply deleting all your data so that you don't pay for storage. Not necessarily. They could imply that your storage becomes inaccessible immediately, but only gets deleted after some time period (say, 1 month). What spending limits do depends on the implementation. |
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| ▲ | inigyou a day ago | parent [-] | | That's even more work to implement. And now you store files on a second account that pays for only one day a month to not get deleted. | | |
| ▲ | 0cf8612b2e1e a day ago | parent [-] | | No wiggle room to come up with a workable solution. Let’s go shopping instead. |
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| ▲ | prmoustache a day ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Storage could switch to read only. That would mean an outage but that is still better than going bankrupt and teach you a thing or two about monitoring. |
