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EEG shows brain can simultaneous encode two speech streams(journals.plos.org)
82 points by giuliomagnifico 4 hours ago | 46 comments
DrScientist 29 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

If you couldn't process multiple streams ( audio/visual/other senses ) how would you ever be able to monitor the background for danger and context switch?

There is a difference between conscious experience and what's going on in the background.

avianlyric 4 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

There’s a big difference between processing multiple streams, and processing multiple streams simultaneously.

You can achieve the former, without the latter, by doing time slicing. Spending a small amount of time processing stream A, then dropping that and processing stream B for a moment, then swapping back. Just like how a single core CPU can process multiple threads.

Proving the brain is continuously processing and encoding multiple streams simultaneously is an interesting finding that helps us better understand how our brains handle multitasking. That’s absolutely something worth studying and understanding, even if the headline discovery “feels” obvious. It the precise mechanism that’s interesting, not the effect the mechanism produces.

gala8y 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

When I meditated a lot, I was able to sit in a cafe and listen to 3 conversations without switching and be able to understand them and remember them all. It happened to me few times. Also, once, sleeping in a tent, a voice from a dream interfered with sound of raindrops and became distorted and I woke up scared only to quickly get what just happened.

coldtea 6 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

This is about multiple speech streams.

More specific from the mere ability to process multiple sensory streams in general.

subhro 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As a pilot and a radio officer, I have always been able to process and service 2 audio streams simultaneously. So not surprised with this finding.

junon 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Perhaps a dumb question but are they center panned (or mono, i.e. talking over each other) or is it split left ear/right ear when they come through the headset?

sigmoid10 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Airplane radios are generally broadcasting and receiving mono. There are modern headsets that can also play stereo, but only for onboard music or intercom purposes, if the plane supports it. But in planes with 2 radios you can usually configure their I/O individually. So you can listen (and also talk, although that makes sense less often) on two frequencies at the same time.

junon 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes of course, the transmitted audio would be mono. I meant one radio in one ear and another radio in the other ear, or if you mix them and they both play in both ears. But it sounds like they're mixed (talking over each other in a single audio stream).

subhro 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They are mono, but I was trying to say that with practice, you can process 2 independent audio streams simultaneously irrespective of whether they are mono or stereo. For example, I am able to keep track of 2 people talking at the same time. I obviously can't respond to both but can maintain independent contexts.

CompoundEyes 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I think it was wondered whether you were having the independent streams panned hard to the left and right ears and if that had something to do with hemispheres of the brain and the processing efficiency.

ndr 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I wonder if piano players find that easier too, compared to lay people.

TobTobXX an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

That tracks. As a teacher I sometimes find myself conversing with multiple kids simultaniously as well. If it's nothing too deep that requires full focus, it works. (Though I do find it tiring and avoid it.)

dr_dshiv 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

“Bilocation” was one of the legendary superpowers of Pythagoras (he was miraculously able to lecture in two cities at the same time).

Whenever I’m in multiple conversations at once in a social setting, I think of Pythagoras

lokimedes 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Many mindfulness practices seem to direct attention at two place at once, to quiet the inner voice. Perhaps this relates to more than just speech, but to attention itself. George Gurdjieff's "The Fourth Way" deals with self remembering, and his pupil, P. D. Ouspensky, has a very vivid description in [1] of how focusing on two things at once leads to a changed state of consciousness, that seems like meditation, and comes from the saturation of the two streams of attention.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_Search_of_the_Miraculous

Gehinnn 21 minutes ago | parent [-]

I believe this is why fugues are such a pleasure to listen to!

moezd 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, and you can also write two different sentences using two different pens in your hands.

jvvw 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

When my son was about 4 or 5 he used to draw pictures with pens in both hands simultaneously which I was always amazed he could do!

markdown 12 minutes ago | parent [-]

When I was an infant I'd waddle through my mothers garden to my favourite fruit tree... a chilly bush. I'd pick the red chillies and eat them with gusto. My mouth would turn red but that didn't bother me. These were very hot chillies that my parents couldn't eat even when they were green.

Sadly, I lost that super power at some point. I love a spicy curry, but I don't think I'd make it through a Hot Ones episode as a guest.

Does your son still have his ability?

vanderZwan 7 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Come on guys, the contribution of the research is that it made measurements of how the processing of multiple inputs is represented in EEGs, not whether or not we can handle multiple inputs. Stop acting snarky, it just shows you didn't read beyond the headline.

thelastgallon 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"humans have only one language processor" -- this is what I remember from Patrick Henry Winstons lecture

coldtea 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

Async-programming style single-core concurrency would still look like parallelism to an outside observer :)

t23414321 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Then it is known that if you play to someone with small delay what he says he will be lost on both - so he can't think about and listen to what he is saying if it's not one stream.

londons_explore an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Listening to two talkers at a time is certainly doable...

As is talking whilst listening to another conversation - eg. Giving a lecture whilst eves dropping on the people talking at the back of the lecture theatre.

However, having a two way conversation with one person whilst listening to another is really hard.

Not sure why.

MomsAVoxell 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I'm a native English speaking pinball freak living as an expat in a German-speaking country, and I find myself often listening to English speakers on the train, while also carrying on a conversation in German .. and I have observed that the same part of my mind that can handle multi ball-pinball events, where during a pinball session multiple balls are in play, 'feels' active.

Its a kind of context juggling mechanism in both cases, and it feels like the same mental muscle being exercised in both cases.

I wonder if there is a worthwhile experiment to be conducted wherein an EEG'ed pinball player gets to play pinball with easy multi ball targets, while also listening to German and English speakers, and then passing a test at the end of it .. because I sure have been preparing for that kind of scenario lately ..

gleenn an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Listening and responding are likely pretty different mental activities

taneq 34 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

You're using one of the streams for yourself. :P

runtime_lens 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This makes me wonder how much of paying attention is really prioritization rather than filtering everything else out. We probably process far more than we're consciously aware of.

Lomlioto 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I def process more than I want.

Its def a spectrum.

In the easiest look at people like me who complain very quick if something is wrong like to warm to cold to sweaty etc. and others not even ackknowliding it at all

noelwelsh 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Absolutely. Take a look at "unconscious perception".

latentframe 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The simultaneous neural representation is very interesting result here

throwawaysjskdk 29 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

yep, my wife does this routinely

awestroke 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is maybe only tangentially relevant to the linked study, but I've noticed I can read aloud from a book on autopilot while thinking about other things or even thinking back on past conversations. I could not do this a few years ago, but now it happens on its own. I wonder how that relates to attention and speech streams

Perz1val 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Not reading out loud, but I've caught myself a few times on reading and not processing that, because I was thinking about something else. Like I still did the reading, but straight to /dev/null of my brain

cevn 39 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I think everyone does this. It reminds me of a possible related phenomenon. The act of remembering what you do takes a few extra brain cells, to enable the “recording function “. If you are on complete autopilot, doing a routine task, you will often forget to turn on the recording function. Like the other day I tried to remember whther I had run the dryer and realized it had been completely optimized out of my memory.

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m12k 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I experienced this too, when I started reading out loud more. At first, it was just that my eyes would scan ahead a bit from what I was saying, to help me get the right emphasis by knowing where the sentence was going. It felt like I had "handed off" saying the words out loud to a "subroutine", so my attention could be on what I was reading. Then that "readahead" extended to a whole sentence. And at that point it was like I was so far ahead of what I was saying that I had time to think about it a bit. And then at some point it was like the "reading the words" part got handed off to a "subroutine" too, so my attention could mostly stay on whatever I was thinking

baxtr 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sometimes I read a book out loud and think about something completely different.

I wonder if reading aloud might be like walking. I can be walking and speaking to a person at the same time.

surfsvammel 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is something that has been studied and is apparently more common when reading out loud. I have this as well. I can read to my kids and at the same time plan the upcoming day. Pretty neat!

broccoluvr an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

you guys telling me you still listening to only 1 podcast at the time?

j45 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The DJ is explained.

thenthenthen 43 minutes ago | parent [-]

Many dj mixers offer the option to split the main mix to one ear and the cue’d track to the other, i have never been able to mix like that, only with cue on headphones and main mix out in the room/monitors. Weird

jimbob45 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If you can listen to someone play the piano with two hands, it’s a short hop to get to speech.

skor 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

parents tend to yell at the same time and it needs simultaneous processing

vanderZwan 11 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Your example is needlessly bleak, but in general: yes, we're a social species and being able to process multiple speech streams seems obviously pretty important in many social contexts involving more than two people.

eurekin 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Also explains why we like music with two simultaneous distinct sections (bass + the rest). One without the other doesn't feel as complete

junon 2 hours ago | parent [-]

This is a completely different phenomenon. Your ear/brain are tuned to rhythmic beats in the lower frequencies (footsteps). We're better at pattern recognition with the lower frequencies.

Also, our brains will encode the differences in registers to evoke emotion differently, which is often used by horror films to make a scene scarier[0]. Evolutionarily this is probably to detect screams or babies crying, a rustling bush, etc.

Speech encoding, at least per this article, has little to do with that. We don't have music encoding so much as we have pattern recognition, instinctual emotional respond to sound, etc.

Another great video about how music is perceived in animals is [1], just while we're on the topic.

[0] https://www.atlasobscura.com/articles/how-the-hidden-sounds-...

[1] https://youtu.be/0ZYhyewNQMo?is=0mWSRAzObOD2p32E