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Telaneo 2 days ago

Given that the (user-facing) software that comes with the car is always broken (modulo Tesla and a few other modern exceptions), it's no wonder people want to replace that software with literally anything else that actually works.

This isn't the auto industry deciding that you need to use your phone. On the contrary, GM and others tried hard to push back on Carplay and AA. This is the buyers telling the auto makers that they want Carplay and AA since they know that that actually works, and they know that the software the car actually comes with will be garbage, or at the very least unfamiliar and not really worth dealing with when you can hook up your phone and let that actually solve the problems the user wants to be solved.

It's insane to me that anyone could be of the opinion that it's good that some automakers ban/don't implement Carplay and AA. It's just taking away user choice. It's hard to believe anyone could have this opinion without either never having driven a modern car, or just being an industry plan.

izacus 2 days ago | parent [-]

Err, Teslas aren't an outlier - the OTAs break shit all the time and in many ways they're worse than cars not getting OTAs because of that :(

maxdo 2 days ago | parent | next [-]

I can name you tons of things they fix over 5 years i own over the air. The ratio there is very very net positive towards a very good , well polished system, not an other way around.

They even fixed once a semi broken hardware for me. Camera power started acting up. I called tesla they said you can come to service to replace or wait a bit we will release OTA that will decrease a power consumption, in 3-4 weeks they fix my custom problem without going to serive

Telaneo 2 days ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yet they still manage to be better than the baseline, since that's located somewhere around the Mariana Trench.

izacus 2 days ago | parent [-]

I've been driving many cars lately and I strongly disagree.

plqbfbv 2 days ago | parent | prev [-]

> the OTAs break shit all the time

Uh? I can literally count the times my Model 3 2019 software broke something on one hand:

- when they redesigned the AC controls to make them more visually appealing but less functional (no button borders and no fill)

- when they decided to put air recirculation under auto-control and ignore the user's settings

- when they optimized the cellular connectivity and it took them a while to get back proper reconnect on loss of signal (garages etc)

- when they tuned sentry's sensitivity and there was some back-and-forth for a couple cycles between "record everything" and "record nothing"

None of this made the car undrivable or totally useless. I did hear of reports of early HW4 cars bricking their FSD computer, and Tesla replaced it.

In my opinion it's still a much better experience than the absolute guesswork of "what will my screen display today when I connect the phone? and where will I find Maps again?", based on software updates on the car AND the phone.

EDIT: also agreeing with the sibling comments: my 7 year old car got a lot of extra features since release, and most of them working very well at the first try.