| ▲ | thehamkercat 7 hours ago |
| A friendly reminder that both LM Studio app and now this new LM Studio Bionic app are closed source. Since most people are unaware of this fact. |
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| ▲ | nodja 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Yup, it's the main reason I don't use LM studio more. I only use it to try out new models/quants, then use llama.cpp directly to host them. LM Studio also doesn't do stuff like audio input and often has bugs that pure llama.cpp doesn't so it can be a net negative for certain use cases. |
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| ▲ | satvikpendem 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Unsloth Studio is open source, run by the same Unsloth that produces some of the best quants in the business, I'd advise people to switch. |
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| ▲ | dofm 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I am aware of it, and I dabble with Unsloth Studio and use the llama-server approach. I would obviously prefer an open source, open weights stack. But I guess a paradox is that as long as there are open source options I could use, a solid agentic environment that I can use with my own open weights is something I might pay for, in a similar sort of way to paying for a Mac when I could use only Linux. If someone wanted to make their entire income from, say, making the BBEdit of LLM harnesses, that would be a viable strategy. Sooner or later people need to make an income somewhere. My own feeling is that Apple should acquire LM Studio, but if they said "this is $X per year" I might consider it, given the attention to detail. |
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| ▲ | maxloh 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yeah, we already have many open-source agent systems. If you prefer a UI, OpenCode itself has a beta desktop app. I don't think we need closed-source developer tools, especially ones where they might restrict access if they decide to start charging for them later. |
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| ▲ | cpursley 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Does anyone know about their stack - is it a native app? It's fairly well designed for what it is in terms of desktop apps. |
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| ▲ | woadwarrior01 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | The desktop app's GUI is electron.js based. | | |
| ▲ | simondotau 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Perfect for when you have unified memory and you want to use as much of it as possible for running the LLM. </sarcasm> |
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| ▲ | minimaxir 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| And? Is that a scandal? |
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| ▲ | thehamkercat 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Not a scandal ofc, but people use local models mostly for privacy and using a closed-source, VC-backed app that might change anything in the next update might not be best for privacy | | |
| ▲ | SOLAR_FIELDS 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | It also seems weird to be closed source and then market yourself as a tool designed for things that are open |
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| ▲ | speedgoose 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | No, but you are a lot more vulnerable to enshittification and you don’t have the advantages of open source applications. It’s an important criteria to have in mind when you select an application. | |
| ▲ | cyanydeez 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | some people want to make money, others want to improve social progress. Happy to clarify which is who and who is which. | | |
| ▲ | radial_symmetry 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You can do both | | |
| ▲ | folkrav 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Sure. I still don't think it's particularly controversial to acknowledge that the two don't necessarily align either, and that neither really incentivizes the other. Less unanimous and debatable, but many would say they more often do not align than the opposite. | |
| ▲ | blitzar 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sure you can ... simply start by taking donations to benefit all mankind and then once you have done enough of that go private, ipo and join the tres commas club. | |
| ▲ | freehorse 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You can do both, until you can't, and then usually making money trumps social progress. |
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| ▲ | watwut 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | No one involved in LLMs want to improve social progress. That is simply not part of the equasion. | | |
| ▲ | simondotau 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Social progress is literally the story of labor saving devices. Creating more with less labor means a society of relative abundance, with more time for education, creativity, leisure and personal growth. Don't be fooled into thinking LLMs are any different to the tractor, the loom, the calculator, or shoe factories in the third world. |
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| ▲ | felooboolooomba 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'm interested in your thought process. How did you get from his initial statement opening of "A friendly reminder ..." to thinking that this was a scandal? | | |
| ▲ | minimaxir 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | It's a common discussion trope to imply malfeasance in response to good news, which is a way to non-constructively shut down a conversation particularly without elaboration. In this particular case I legit didn't understand what the OP was actually implying because they did not elaborate. |
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| ▲ | NamlchakKhandro 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes. Is that a problem for you comrad? | | |
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