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nikcub an hour ago

> I pretty sure OpenAI and Anthropic are doing the same or worse.

No they're not. It would end both companies if they were ever found to be doing that.

Their terms are clear - if you use the coding plans they can[0] train in return. Enterprise and API, absolutely not.

The argument here is that with the Chinese labs you have zero legal recourse.

[0] opt-in, thanks

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victor106 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I would think they are not but Alex Karp CEO of Palantir seems to imply that they are:

https://youtu.be/0A3sGymV6kY?si=ti7uSZtYqJ3vKpGM

I found it a little shocking TBH

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theplumber 39 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>> No they're not. It would end both companies if they were ever found to be doing that. Their terms are clear - The argument here is that with the Chinese labs you have zero legal recourse.

Their terms are not worth shit considering they are reselling you stolen copyrighted data. Even in they terms they started clearly say they retain your data for "safety reasons" for however long they want. Perhaps you didn't watch the space with Anthropic going back and forth with ToS updates(we retain your data for 30 days...stike that and add 30 days or more or no or ..whatever) like my own alpha website.

	▲	demosthanos 8 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		There is an enormous difference between: * Exploiting ambiguity around fair use at a large scale before the law catches up and then jointly lobbying with your competition to make sure your interpretation of the law becomes reality. * Explicitly signing a contract with enterprises to respect their IP and then proceeding to break that contract with your own customers. The former is firmly in the gray area of legality and doesn't directly hurt your own customers. The latter is both an unambiguous contract violation and a flagrant attack on your own customers' most valuable asset.

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TurdF3rguson 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> if you use the coding plans they train in return.

No, you have to opt-in to that. There's a privacy toggle on account settings.

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mahkeiro an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are we talking about the company sending back private information through its client to « fight » model distillation?

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theshrike79 an hour ago | parent [-]

Yes.

Enterprise contracts are checked and agreed by lawyers. The contract states no training.

If the provider fucks up, there are actual monetary damages defined for breach of contract.

	▲	fluoridation 40 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		It's an unenforceable clause. The affected party has no means to prove that a breach has happened.

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hedora 22 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Anthropic constantly uses dark patterns to steal training data from customers (like the “how is claude doing” spam, data retention loosening when the safeguards false positive, etc).

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dwa3592 12 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

lmao, wasn't xAI caught doing this recently? moreover at least moonshot is being honest about it.