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| ▲ | microtonal a day ago | parent | next [-] | | I buy Pixel for GrapheneOS, but the hardware is terrible for the price. They charge flagship prices for what are mid-range SoCs. They are very heavy for the size (e.g. the 10/10 Pro are around 205g) and the weight distribution makes them feel like a brick. Battery life is very mediocre, even with almost no apps or other crap installed. They have also had a lot of hardware/software issues in recent years - spicy pillows, display issues, camera bars that fall off, software updates that resulted in boot loops for many people, etc. In (most of?) Europe, they farmed out repairs to another company and often reject warranty claims if there is as much as a scratch on the case. I would only recommend Pixel if you want to run GrapheneOS. GrapheneOS is stellar and until next year, getting a Pixel is the only way to run it. Also, wait until midway the cycle of a model to get a large discount. If you do not want to run GrapheneOS, do yourself a favor and either: 1.) Get a Samsung S series (or maybe A5x). It's the only phone besides Pixel that does reliable monthly updates, QPR2 and rolls out major updates fairly quickly. They have a separate secure enclave (Knox Vault). Also, after a few months the pricing is really good (e.g. an S26 with 256GB storage costs 620 Euro here now). You can pretty much remove all of the bloat, including Gemini, Google hot words, Bixby, etc. with UAD. The SoC, battery life, etc. will blow Pixels out of the water. 2.) Get an iPhone. The most secure phone after GrapheneOS and the hardware is well worth the price. Their support is stellar, easy to reach a human by phone, generally easy to get repairs. | | |
| ▲ | seanw444 a day ago | parent [-] | | > GrapheneOS is stellar and until next year, getting a Pixel is the only way to run it. I'm hoping the Moto GrapheneOS phones will be solid. They will be my new primary option if so. |
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| ▲ | driverdan a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I just got a new phone a month ago. I wanted a Pixel so I could run GrapheneOS. After researching the hardware I ended up with a OnePlus 13. Google's hardware is far behind, buggy, and overpriced. | | |
| ▲ | colordrops a day ago | parent [-] | | I have a OnePlus 13. Best hardware ever. Running lineage with microg + magisk and use nix on top of termux to install stuff using sudo, including AI harnesses - it's my portable AI workstation now. | | |
| ▲ | driverdan a day ago | parent [-] | | That sounds like a fun setup. I need to try out something like that. | | |
| ▲ | colordrops 12 hours ago | parent [-] | | I've ordered a physical keyboard that attaches to the back of the phone using magsafe to make it easier to use. I wouldn't be surprised if we see new types of hardware or at least new mobile UI paradigms that make AI coding on the go easier. |
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| ▲ | jascha_eng a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | But a pixel is quite a bit more expensive no? At that point you can consider an iPhone? | | |
| ▲ | lavela a day ago | parent | next [-] | | If you'd prefer an Iphone if it weren't for price, you should probably have a look at refurbished Iphones. | |
| ▲ | ulrikrasmussen a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If you are the kind of person who unlocks the bootloader and installs GrapheneOS, then definitely not. | |
| ▲ | drnick1 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The Pixel can run Graphene, which means you can permanently take control of the phone and give Google the boot. The iPhone is entirely controlled by Apple, and you are one OTA away from a hostile "upgrade." By default, everything on your phone is sent to Apple for "backup" too. | |
| ▲ | falsemyrmidon a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I got a pixel 10 for 350 a few weeks ago. |
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| ▲ | dminik a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I have had a mixed experience. Bought my Mom a Pixel 9a. It seems to be running fine with no issues. Bought a Pixel 10 Pro XL for myself and had to return it. Connectivity issues (WiFi connected, but no internet), screen losing colors (white would turn gray), ghosting issues (scrolled/hidden content would stay on screen for a period of time). | | |
| ▲ | inigyou a day ago | parent [-] | | Try GrapheneOS? | | |
| ▲ | dminik a day ago | parent [-] | | Bit hard to do with a phone I no longer have in my hand. Additionally, I wasn't sure if that would void my warranty. It did cross my mind, and I did buy it for the possibility to do that in the future if necessary, but I just wasn't in the position to actually do so. | | |
| ▲ | inigyou a day ago | parent [-] | | People need to stop caring about warranties so much. Don't overpay, and have emergency funds. If you break something, fix it or replace it. When someone dropped my phone and cracked the screen, I spent 300€ on a new phone. Not 3000€ because I'm not an idiot. | | |
| ▲ | dminik a day ago | parent [-] | | Thanks for calling me an idiot I guess ... I mean, I don't particularly understand how "caring about warranty" goes against what you've written after that. Replacing something for free is surely better than doing so for $300 dollars, no? Are you saying I should have installed GrapheneOS on the phone, possibly discovered that the phone has hardware issues and then go out to buy another phone because I have an emergency fund? Or stick with a new phone that had issues? Or maybe I have made a mistake by buying a phone more expensive than $300? I can see this one actually, but I was going for something that didn't have ads in every menu as the cheap Chinese phones I was using up until this point. Outside of the used market, which I tend to ignore due to battery/performance degradation, there's no way for me to buy a Pixel for less than $300 anyways. | | |
| ▲ | Dylan16807 16 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > Thanks for calling me an idiot I guess ... Did you have a $3000 phone? > Replacing something for free is surely better than doing so for $300 dollars, no? And having a phone you like more is surely better than having to return your phone and buy a different one, no? It's a tradeoff. If they can even legally touch your warranty to begin with. | | |
| ▲ | dminik 9 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Did you have a $3000 phone? Funnily enough, no. When I read that comment, I didn't even know that phones can go for such a price. But, apparently some triple folding phones do. I read that as a "buy a budget phone and use it until it's gone, don't buy an expensive phone," which to be fair was exactly what I was doing up until this point. > And having a phone you like more is surely better than having to return your phone and buy a different one, no? Yes. But I do include functionality when evaluating how much I like a phone. I liked the phone at first, but then the issues moved it to a dislike. Considering I only had it for a week, what further issues awaited? I didn't want to risk that. Searching for a different phone sucks, but at least I get my money back. |
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| ▲ | belowavgiq 18 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Just don't listen to someone who tells you that you need a custom ROM to have a phone not suck in 2026. Google's hardware has been middling (camera sensors, display) to downright trash (the Tensor SoCs) ever since the P6, and GrapheneOS won't magically make its modem Qualcomm or even Mediatek. | |
| ▲ | inigyou a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | It isn't a free replacement. It's a $50 for a 50% chance of replacement if you need a replacement, and if you don't you still have to pay the $50. | | |
| ▲ | dminik a day ago | parent [-] | | This might come as a bit of a shock to you, but not everywhere has terrible customer protection. I was less interested in the (free) 2 year warranty than the 14 day free return mandated by the EU. I wasn't really risking being denied, as long as I didn't break any rules. | | |
| ▲ | inigyou a day ago | parent [-] | | Consumer protection doesn't normally include buying you a new phone if you damage it. |
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| ▲ | mkesper a day ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Be sure not to buy any 'branded' variant, though (e.g. from Verizon etc.)! | |
| ▲ | Twirrim 21 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I got badly burned by the Pixel 5a, but especially with Google's support. My wife and I both had 5a, and both died spectacularly right around the end of warranty period. Mine ultimately got replaced under warranty and that replacement died the same way when I was on vacation less than a year later... which they refused to repair under warranty. They put up such a shit show and had us run through so many hoops with my wife's phone that it ended up being out of warranty by the time they agreed it was broken and needed repaired. The support experience was so painful I reluctantly let them get away with their bullshit, bought a new phone (oneplus) for my wife, and swore not to buy another Pixel phone despite having a strong preference for them and the pure Android experience. | |
| ▲ | jacooper a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | Nah the hardware is still crap.
CPU performance that's genuinely like two generations behind being sold as a flagship somehow. | | |
| ▲ | ThunderSizzle a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Is two generations ago before 2020? Everything is 100% more expensive than pre-2020 prices. Eating out is there. Power Tools are there. Land is beyond that and Housing has been there for 6 years now. I'm not surprised. The March of inflation has been a wreckening this decade. | |
| ▲ | parineum a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I always wonder what people who say things like this are doing with their phones. Two generations of phones ago, these performance parameters were fine. What software has come out on Android phones since then that's made that performance level unacceptable? | | |
| ▲ | alternatex a day ago | parent | next [-] | | Pixel phones have always been behind in hardware power. They're not performing at budget level, but compared to most OnePlus devices they are way behind in performance. In the Android world performance means longevity. Any Pixel tensor chip or non-high-end Snapdragon or MediaTek chip has a "smoothness" lifespan of 2-3 years. | | |
| ▲ | parineum 20 hours ago | parent [-] | | > In the Android world performance means longevity. This is the assumption I'm challenging. What are people doing on their phones that makes a two year old phone feel two years old? Maybe it's 3d gaming, I don't do any of that on my phone but for any productivity apps, I don't think I've noticed an effective difference in my phone for years. | | |
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| ▲ | microtonal a day ago | parent | prev [-] | | I think the issue is more the prices that Google charge for what is largely a mid-range phone (except maybe cameras). I don't think people would object as much if Google priced them as Pixels in the old days. Prices usually get ok halfway the cycle, though this year not as much due to the RAM/SSD squeeze. |
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