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nickysielicki 3 hours ago

The question I have is why are these companies hiring these people and what does it say about their hiring practices and the amount of capital they’re poorly spending?

It’s exceedingly unlikely that any of the people who were working on YC startups previously have any real professional experience with any of the following: slurm, collectives, NUMA systems, RDMA, compilers, systems programming, general HPC performance estimation or measurement, CUDA or ROCM or any kind of GPGPU/accelerated computing. But that is the core business of both of these companies.

I’m not surprised that these companies are well funded and hiring a lot of people. I’m surprised that they chose to hire the people who were previously making “Uber but for dogs” gimmick apps and not just hollowing out the HPC specialists from national labs.

andy99 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

People ask the same question of why YC funds yet another Uber for dogs or a button on the Touch Bar that cost $10/mo to help join a meeting faster.

They invest in people more than ideas, so you’ve got, at least in many cases, people with good pedigree and skills (age adjusted anyway) building on stupid ideas, but that are eminently employable.

Obviously there are other factors, I’m not really trying to defend anything but just point out that there are legit reasons why someone impressive enough to get into YC would also be impressive enough to get a good job. It’s not like it’s random founders off the street.

tmpz22 an hour ago | parent [-]

> but that are eminently employable

This is what always stood out to me. Founders talk about the risks they take as their major legitimizing force. But what risk? They’re the types who can (mostly) skip an interview and go direct into a six figure job - because of the sales and founder networks they develop.

Startup founders with no risk doesnt sound like a recipe for great companies.

MichaelDickens 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

YC founders aren't the ones taking risks. The risk comes from pouring your life savings into a company and not getting into any incubators and never getting any VC funding and then having no savings and nothing to show for it.

vanuatu 9 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The top % of YC founders are legitimately quite talented, and high agency/entrepreneurial talent goes a long way in these companies, even if its not in deep infra or research

afavour 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The actual AI part of AI startups are at constant risk of commoditization. Where the companies will survive or fail is how they manage to attract customers and lock them into their offerings so they can't move away to the next competitor.

Someone with experience running a startup that has no moat probably does have some relevant experience in that area.

TrackerFF an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It isn’t that long ago that AI was heavily gatekept and had some serious barriers of entry, due to its origins from academia.

I figure most of these are working on products, rather that deep frontier research.

lokimedes 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I actually have experience with that stuff, “old school” deep learning and ML as well. Is that something worth joining the fray with I wonder? Or is it as you point out really only the richly connected “locals” that are recruited?

buckhx 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Not to try to grab any pity, but I have pretty deep experience in the GPU optimization space and have not been able to even get an engineering screen even with referrals.

sigbottle an hour ago | parent [-]

I have a sinking feeling that AI models have gotten so good internally, and/or the GPU guys in their labs have found a good enough processes, that AI is doing the research behind the doors right now (it should be at least capable, at heuristic optimization problems that are benchmarkable), while the hard part of their business is the political game: convincing other companies to buy into AI, integrations, trying to gather more data where they can.

cliglot 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I’m not surprised that these companies are well funded and hiring a lot of people. I’m surprised that they chose to hire the people who were previously making “Uber but for dogs” gimmick apps and not just hollowing out the HPC specialists from national labs.

Culture. The Uber for Dogs idiots will gulp down the kool-aid like they’re dying in the dessert.

rvz 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> The question I have is why are these companies hiring these people and what does it say about their hiring practices and the amount of capital they’re poorly spending?

They are hiring for sales.

lenerdenator 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Silicon Valley is not about having specialists or knowledge. It's about having connections and charisma.

Is this causing massive problems for us as a society? Of course, but no one seems to want to do anything about it, so here we are.

nickysielicki 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I mean, what are you suggesting “someone” should do about it? The companies can spend their money however they want, and if they want to hire a bunch of product people from YC startups nobody can stop them.

I’m just surprised they need this many of them. What do they do all day? And who is left to manage their hundreds of thousands of servers?

sigbottle an hour ago | parent | next [-]

A lot of the AI game is still integrations and getting entrenched in processes. It has the double whammy that you get to train on their data (not talking about ALL enterprise contracts - but cursor pretty explicitly has this business model. So I'd imagine some enterprise contracts have this.)

classified 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> What do they do all day?

Breeding product ideas? ChatGPT, but for dogs?

> And who is left to manage their hundreds of thousands of servers?

They learned from Elon how to get by with a skeleton crew?

nickysielicki 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I’m just surprised that the people actually keeping the business operating and the tokens flowing don’t resent these product people for sitting around all day coming up with ideas for the same TC package as the people putting out ops fires and bringing new capacity online all day every day. I feel like the actual engineers are probably getting shortchanged.

pixl97 2 hours ago | parent [-]

As with anything else, they may resent, but the check still cashes at the end of the week.

Slartie 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> What do they do all day?

Same as they were doing in their startups: burn mon..., eh, tokens.

> And who is left to manage their hundreds of thousands of servers?

AI, of course.

preisschild an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Probably because they want snake oil salesman

Why spend to resources to invent AGI when you can just gaslight the whole world by telling everyone that LLMs are already better than people?