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this_user 3 hours ago

You misunderstand Musk's motivation. This was never about money for him, but about control over a key technology. One of the main reasons he exited OpenAI was the fact that the other co-founders wanted to create a structure where no one, Musk included, would be able to seize full control of the company. That was the thing that prompted him to leave, which tells you a lot about what he really wanted in the first place.

But he also falsely assumed that OAI would die without his money. Yet, they managed to pull through, and Musk is now on the outside looking in with very little influence in the AI space. xAI is his desperate attempt to get back into the game. That is why he won't give up.

estearum 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> This was never about money for him, but about control over a key technology

That's too flattering. It's about ego.

vladmk 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Agreed - if you read any Elon books that’s a part of it. He always had someone to prove himself to from his dad to the world. It’s almost Michael Jordanesque except business wise.

halfmatthalfcat 2 hours ago | parent [-]

So just like Trump. Birds of a feather.

DustinBrett an hour ago | parent [-]

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nchmy 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Doesn't saltman effectively have full control of the company?

furyofantares an hour ago | parent [-]

no

dmarcos 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’m a big fan of Musk. One of the few criticisms I have is how xAI is also inconsistent with original OpenAI mission. I had imagined xAI as en effort to correct and fully embody all original values of OpenAI and that Elon says they betrayed. That makes his criticism weaker and I understand why some can think it was all about control. In his words:

"I'm the reason OpenAl exists. I came up with the name. The name OpenAl refers to open source... The intent was - what was the opposite of Google? It would be an open source non-profit."

I sometimes feel xAI wants to live up to those open values so I always celebrate when they decide to engage in open source. They still don’t fully embrace it. Perhaps because they think is not practical or will make them less competitive?

popalchemist 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How can you be a fan of an overtly racist, nazi-saluting, destroyer of democracy whose act of wanton dismantling of government programs resulted in the deaths of 700,000

https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-new-yorker-interview/the-...

not to mention the many other things, but that suffices. He is objectively one of the worst people on the planet, and you're a fan?

qup an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Because I don't believe what you just said about him. Literally not even one detail.

blactuary an hour ago | parent | next [-]

He is undeniably, objectively racist. To deny that in 2026 is to call the sky green

BatFastard an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

No need to believe, just look at the facts.

vanc_cefepime 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

<insert Mr. Krabs “Hello, I like money” meme>

HDBaseT 27 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Not a fan of Musk either, but him being "Racist" or throwing a Nazi Salute are quite frankly the least of my concerns with him.

senderista 9 minutes ago | parent [-]

agreed, the de facto genocide bit is slightly more concerning to me

justinhj an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

lmao

throwaway884367 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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user- 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You say this from a throwaway account that you know will get banned.

Dang, maybe think about IP banning this guy for such a premedidated move.

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halfmatthalfcat 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Ah oh, so USAID was the one in Wuhan who caused the incident. People act like the US is the only nation researching or funding this level of biology. People are just pissed off at the lack of admission that the US was, at best, tangentially involved in order to justify their grievances against government but it’s such a weak position to argue from.

throwaway884367 2 hours ago | parent [-]

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halfmatthalfcat 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You're missing my point, though it doesn't sound like you care.

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icase 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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justinhj an hour ago | parent [-]

it's worse really. at least there are subreddits relatively free of trump bad elon bad non stop nonsense

shigawire 26 minutes ago | parent [-]

Trump seems objectively bad at his job by a number of metrics. So it seems reasonable that would be the consensus in most forums.

throwitaway222 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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miguelazo 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Mr. Beast? LMAO. A ridiculous comparison in terms of development project implementation. (And I am no fan of USAID, whose real chief mission was creating dependency on the US and overthrowing independent governments.)

throwitaway222 2 hours ago | parent [-]

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rcgy 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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Gigachad 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

He needs to be able to skew the worlds AI towards racism and whatever else he believes at the moment.

jimmygrapes 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What happened to the rule about steelmanning? I know it's chic to post super hot takes about what we assume a persons intentions are, and I know there are plenty of "if you can't see how bad they are you're the problem" type justifications; I know the supposed goal of empathy is tossed aside at first hint of disagreement whether real or perceived, and I know there is "evidence" of justification for hatred/dismissal. Yet still there is self-righteous presumption bandied about in a negative way that violates that steelman rule. Justified of course by the idea that there are no negotiations with terrorists, no association with Nazis, no forgiveness or understanding given to the Other.

I just don't get it, I'm sorry.

brokencode 44 minutes ago | parent [-]

What rule about steelmanning? We’re commenting online, not writing peer reviewed research.

And yeah, some people lose the benefit of the doubt. Sorry, but actions have consequences.

Elon doesn’t just get to kill hundreds of thousands of poor people by eliminating USAID and expect everyone to treat him the same way.

He’s made enemies for life, and he deserves it.

sieabahlpark 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

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mandeepj 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> This was never about money for him, but about control over a key technology

It's very comforting to know for those reasons he'd never be able to become POTUS; although there's still a way, I hope he never gets to know about it. Otherwise, he'll make it a fascist land.