I would recommend using https://pi.dev/ over Grok Build with your xAI subscription at this point

whimsicalism 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

why pi over opencode? earnestly curious, trying to figure out what open solution people are consolidating on. (codex is also pseudo-open but contributions closed and nice)

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lanthissa 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

pi is the neovim of agentic harnesses, its barebones and extremely configurable. if you're the sort of person who likes that sort of things its a forever product, nothing is going to displace it because you have full control.

opencode builds a lot more in, which is better if you dont want to fiddle with config.

	▲	whimsicalism 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		nice. i had thought the consensus had moved pretty firmly towards pi, so i was surprised to see Thinking Machines demoing their new model Inkling in OpenCode. wondering if they are previewing an acquisition

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accrual 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Most of my harness experience is with Claude Code and Pi, a little bit of OpenCode.

I like how quick and snappy Pi is, it feels like a minimal harness, just enough to manage the agent and get out of the way. Earlier models also seemed to have an easier time working with the tools, e.g. GPT-OSS-20B is about a year old and had no trouble in Pi.

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buremba 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Opencode gives you better defaults and a Mac/Windows app for free but pi is much more extensible and portable.

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guessmyname 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Pi is good in concept, but why couldn’t they choose a compiled language instead of TypeScript?

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jack_pp 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

since pi is built to modify itself, isn't it better to use a language like typescript where LLMs have a LOT of training data?

a harness doesn't do any computations by itself so what benefit is using a compiled language?

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whimsicalism 2 hours ago | parent [-]

i find LLMs generally play better with compiled languages actually, they do great with rust. you can think of it almost as analogous to a harness.

	▲	brightball an hour ago \| parent [-]
		The more structure the better. Provides strong guardrails. I’ve had great experience with Elixir and the new compiler combined with Ash.

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simonw 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I imagine because they want to support plugins, and plugins in compiled language are a lot less natural than plugins in languages like TypeScript or Python.

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root_axis an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why does it matter? Agent harnesses aren't doing anything that would make a compiled language more suitable than a scripting language.

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buremba 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For TUIs, Rust/Go vs Typescript doesn't really makes a huge performance difference and you lose the 50x bigger community advantage of Typescript.

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tuvix 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I would imagine the extension system they built would be much more difficult to manage. They could have opted for Lua, though, I suppose.

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fg137 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Does it matter to you as a user, other than the Nodejs/npm requirement?

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gidellav 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sorry for self-insert, but that's exactly what I thought and I built https://github.com/gi-dellav/zerostack, so you are right I'd say

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maxloh 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Opencode is written in Go.

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grepex 2 hours ago | parent [-]

It is written in Typescript.

https://github.com/anomalyco/opencode

There is an archived Opencode project written in Go but I don't think it is affiliated.

https://github.com/opencode-ai/opencode

	▲	ValentineC an hour ago \| parent [-]
		This is a pretty good summary of what happened: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44483251

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falaki 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I recommend using https://omnigent.ai over Grok Build or any other harness.

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ccmcarey 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This is not how to push your own product - there's no value add to your comment, and you don't even have a disclaimer that you are involved with it

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alasano 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As a general rule I don't use new products whose websites don't resize properly on mobile.

If you fuck that up, makes me wonder what other obvious stuff you fuck up.

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fanzeyi 3 hours ago | parent [-]

thanks for the feedback! there is no excuse for it, and I just pushed a fix for our website to look better on mobile.

if there is any other obvious stuff that's broken we are happy to take the feedback and fix it. :)

	▲	alasano 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Nah that was it, now that it's fixed I'll actually take a look!

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buremba 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I tried twice and ran into bugs that prevented me to trust it

	▲	fanzeyi 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		appreciate for trying! if you have the time, we would also appreciate if you can send these bugs our way so we can fix them :)