I don’t see how your “shift” makes it any better. Did you really think people did exhaust mods purely to torment everyone around them? The noise and the its effect on listeners is the entire point. The fact that it’s primarily to gain kudos from “other loud car lovers” and especially attention from vapid women doesn’t alter the fact that they know and more likely relish if not most charitably are completely indifferent to the effect on everyone else. Which is fundamentally bad character when you’re revving these around populated areas.

After all any “loud car lover” is also either annoyed when their sleep is interrupted or they can’t hear themselves think for hours on end, or they have the IQ of a box of rocks. They want to hear loud revving only when it is convenient and enjoyable to them. So you can choose either complete self-centeredness and hypocrisy at that (likely) or being borderline too dumb to operate a vehicle.

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ericyd 11 hours ago | parent [-]

> Did you really think people did exhaust mods purely to torment everyone around them?

I didn't, but the OP wrote:

> So it is about subjecting OTHER people to his car

So my comment was in response to that. I don't think people should ignore the suffering they cause for others, but to me it's different if the motivation is to cause pain vs bringing joy to like-minded people.

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amanaplanacanal 9 hours ago | parent [-]

Right! They're not actively malicious, they just don't care about other people.

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ericyd 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Lol I guess. I think there's a massive chasm between being ignorant of your effect on someone else and actively inflicting pain, but I'm sure I won't convince you that this is a meaningful difference if you don't already believe it. I think you could argue that tons of modern human activities cause negative experiences for other people, I don't think that means the people doing those things are terrible people. Something as simple as watering a lawn could be construed as "not caring about other people" due to failure to conserve public resources, but I don't get a lot of person benefit from cursing every person with a green lawn in the summer.

	▲	amanaplanacanal 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		It's possible that nobody has ever complained to them about the noise. It's possible that they have never been annoyed at loud noises. Anything's possible.