| ▲ | mikece 2 hours ago |
| On the other hand, isn't the FreeBSD user base shrinking and its former users going to Linux? |
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| ▲ | bigfishrunning 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| As a 25 year Linux user (for work and at home), I've been experimenting with FreeBSD in the last year or so and I've found its simplicity refreshing. Maybe I'm swimming against the current, but I'm sure there are dozens of us! |
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| ▲ | jjav 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Same here, using Linux since the beginning (1993) but slowly migrating machines to FreeBSD (some to OpenBSD) as Linux slowly becomes ever more like windows which is exactly the opposite of what I want. | | |
| ▲ | asimovfan 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | how so? could you please elaborate? | | |
| ▲ | close04 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | It’s becoming too mainstream is what they mean. Any other not immediately obvious parallel to Windows would have warranted an explanation from the get go. | |
| ▲ | felixgallo an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | As an example, I had a headless devuan instance that took an extra ~50s to ssh to today, repeatably. Checked to see if it was DNS -- wasn't DNS. Checked to see if it was misconfigured ssh -- wasn't misconfigured ssh. Eventually it turned out to be that /etc/pam.md/common-session was misconfigured by installation default to have 'pam_elogind.so' set up, which was trying to do some cockamamie dbus bullshit to communicate with some linux desktop nonsense that wasn't even installed, and there were a bunch of extremely poorly configured timeouts (!) (!!!) which eventually caused ssh to hang. Each of these components was obviously written by some deeply incompetent junior developer at IBM working on a jira ticket as part of the continuing effort to slather enough janky nonsense on top of linux that it might maybe behave one day enough like windows 95 to be usable as a desktop environment by normal people. And then the default was set by some deeply incompetent environment package maintainer and accepted by some deeply incompetent debian committee. This lumbering corporate enshittification of what at the core used to be a simple and comprehensible system is why things like freebsd and alpine (and, to a certain extent until today, devuan) are a breath of fresh air to use. When the system is not being actively undermined by a bunch of new grads with jira tickets and no understanding of the entirety of the system, it's amazing what you can get done. | | |
| ▲ | close04 34 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Your 1 user issue is not proof of anything that follows, and most of the comment looks more like getting some frustration out in an aggressive and unpleasant manner. Just to be clear, you’re not entirely wrong. Linux is not about being simple and comprehensible anymore because that only serves a small subset of users. As the userbase grew, the needs and demands grew with it and so did the solution. But your problem isn’t a sign of “becoming shit” more than finding some hardware not fully supported by *BSD or middling performance optimizations justify some rant about its developers. |
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| ▲ | naturalmovement 41 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No. As enshittification encroaches onto Linux the user base is moving the other way. To their benefit, I might add. With ZFS on root in FreeBSD it's a no-brainer. Linux is feeling more and more like a bunch of random tools thrown together as opposed to a complete OS designed to work as a whole. |
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| ▲ | sitzkrieg 26 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | linux userspace has always sucked ass | | | |
| ▲ | matheusmoreira 33 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | > As enshittification encroaches onto Linux What enshittification? > Linux is feeling more and more like a bunch of random tools thrown together Linux is a kernel. The user space stuff is a bunch of random software thrown together. That's what Linux distributions are. |
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| ▲ | isx726552 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| *BSD is dying! You don’t have to be Kreshkin… But seriously, if one counts macOS and iOS as FreeBSD users, there are more than ever. Of course that means counting Android and Steam as Linux OSes, in which case Linux users still greatly outnumber FreeBSD users. |
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| ▲ | bigfishrunning 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | FreeBSD's license means it shows up in a lot of unexpected places -- the last two Sony Playstations run a FreeBSD derived OS for instance. It's around, more then you think, but it's very quiet... | | |
| ▲ | rbanffy 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | One of the reasons it’s very quiet is that you can only do what the company that provided it to you allows you to do with it. You can’t reinstall a fork of PlayStation OS, for instance. Sony won’t provide you the sources and the changes they made. If it was a GPLv3 OS, they would provide everything you need to build your own PlayStation OS. | | |
| ▲ | bigfishrunning 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | If it were a GPLv3 OS, it's likely that they would have chosen something else. | | |
| ▲ | JackSlateur an hour ago | parent [-] | | Would that have been a bad thing ? Between a proprietary OS on which we cannot do anything and an opensource-based OS on which we cannot do anything .. I'd argue that making the company paying the bill would be more healthy |
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| ▲ | throw0101d 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_products_based_on_Free... |
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