It's wild to watch HN root for Tesla, spacex, starlink, etc to fail just because they don't like Musk. If HN gets their way, we'll regress back to the stone age with all their "anti" views on tech these days (even anti datacenters). I guess it's good that the influence of the HN crowd doesn't flow into China/Asia where they are aggressively mimicking Musks vision. At least Asia will have a future.

▲ toddmorey 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I'm very pro tech. Because I'm pro tech, I honestly wish there were more ethical companies in the space. It can be hard to find US tech companies to cheer for. My main business-related challenge with Elon is his public predictions are so wildly ungrounded. Skepticism is absolutely warranted.

Two things:

  - You can cheer for his companies and technologies but against these financial maneuverings because they risk genuine harm & setback to the industry

  - I stopped asking for people to put politics aside in support of these companies when I realized Elon couldn't put politics aside to support these companies.

▲ lgl 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> even anti datacenters

Now, I'm a computer guy, love tech and have nothing against datacenters. But the recent anti-datacenter sentiment is not some luddite reaction. Data-centers cause serious social changes in property prices, electricity costs, water waste etc. Sure, there is a need for more datacenters and more compute, but lets not diminish the very real worries by the people or communities affected.

And contrary to what many of these hyper-scalers and the senators/politicians they lobby want to make you believe, datacenters do not bring in enough jobs to make it worth it for many of these communities.

Once a datacenter is built, minimum staff is required. And this is now very obvious since many of these companies are now also preaching for datacenters in space.

	▲	vel0city 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I think the biggest change in public sentiment in datacenters is a reaction to the extreme scale they're being deployed at these days. They're really vastly unlike datacenters of the past. The power densities are so much higher, they're so much larger, and they're getting vastly more environmental waivers and tax subsidies than ever before. A quiet, average-sized warehouse-like building in an industrial area with a big power substation next to it often didn't bother a lot of people. A giant monster of a building being built in what was previously people's backyards with howling on-site power generation that got installed without any kind of air quality reviews because they're allegedly "temporary" and starts sucking the groudwater dry is a whole different story. This is a datacenter: https://maps.app.goo.gl/pzSsUHXPaUuLGaDa9 I doubt many people even know its a datacenter. Its pretty much any other office building. This is also a datacenter. I imagine just about everyone living nearby knows its a datacenter. https://maps.app.goo.gl/wR4NgcWQVhJAy5Gy6

▲ nova22033 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Is it anti-Musk to point out Musk makes wild promises that rarely come true...robotaxis at scale, xAI creating MacroHard etc etc.

▲ groundzeros2015 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It certainly is a contrast from the Tesla years. But overall I think the current consensus is:

- we don’t believe in startups (low quality scams)

- we don’t believe in technology. (It’s surveillance and distraction).

- we don’t believe in markets (regulate the RAM)

- we don’t believe in agency (unruly rule breakers)

And honestly we’ve seen a lot of events that strengthen those positions. Some of it is age as well. I’m just interested to see what comes next with so little faith in the industry.

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baggy_trough 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I can't identify one item on that list that I think would be fair to consider a consensus.

	▲	groundzeros2015 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Really? Do you want to try one out? I don’t see very many articles interested in new startups. It’s usually about them failing. I often use market explanations in my comments and these are not received favorably.

▲ mjg2 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't understand why people cast skepticism or not-devotion as "hatred." There's a whole spectrum for opinions to fall on; I don't care for sports but that doesn't mean I hate baseball.

▲ MrDrone 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't just dislike Elon Musk like he's some jerk I don't agree with. This isn't a baseball game where he's the other team's star pitcher and we should put aside our differences when the game is over.

Elon actively interfered with US elections, and has done untold damage through his DOGE stunt. He uses his vast wealth in ways that have done real damage to the US, the US economy and in support of people who are dismantling American rights.

The boogeyman of "China/Asia" won't make me "support" a man who uses his money to make America worse. I do not support his actions and I do no wish to fund them regardless of the technology they create.

▲ breezybottom 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm pretty sure the founding of SpaceX doesn't mark the end of the stone age.

▲ bpodgursky 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

They are mostly jealous Europeans.

	▲	MaxHoppersGhost 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		This is the explanation for most anti-US industrial power comments on here. The rest are chinese bots or people who have overdosed on biased news (which is not a phenomenon exclusive to one side or another).

▲ dheera 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don't actually hate Musk. Although he has done bad, I think he has done far more good than bad. He has, for one, directly improved my quality of life on the transportation front.

▲ mempko 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The guy's vision is a world where children don't get the medicine they need and fascism rules (he gave a nazi salute, unironically). DOGE has killed people. Has killed children.

▲ iamshs 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Guy was doing Nazi salutes at Trump's inauguration. If he wanted support from normal people, he should have remained within normal political norms, not do Nazi salutes. I don't think it is normal to expect sympathy after that, people will be revolted and would want him to fail. They should not be judged for this opinion, it's pretty vanilla. Normal people still carry conscience, an innate justice system. Otherwise we won't even have justice system if we start giving people an out based on fame, talent etc.

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rightbyte 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

If anything people are severly downplaying him being an unstable alt-nazi edgelord or whatever he self identifies as. As his fan club gets smaller it gets more fanatic, too. A lot of Twitter AI on Mars fan fic.

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qwerpy 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The fact that people like you are still pushing the subjective salute thing as incontrovertible fact makes it hard to find any common ground. Serious people in the media, even the ones heavily biased against Elon, don’t harp on it the way online people do.

	▲	timmytokyo 19 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		It's not like the salute is a singular event. Just look at him on X. Most of what he talks about today is his support for racist political movements (like Reform UK and AfD). That's when he's not tweaking grok to insert "white genocide" into responses for recipe requests. There's a pattern here. The man's brain was utterly broken by the social media platform he bought, and he's an overt fascist at this point.
	▲	rightbyte 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		Subjective? This is gas lighting. He put on his angry face, lips together and all. It was no subjective or ironic John Cleese nazi salute. It was a nazi salute. Then he went on to starve kids on medecine to death. I mean. Like. Really? Is this still in dispute?
	▲	GuinansEyebrows 2 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		i do not want to find common ground with people who do nazi salutes or those who excuse them. i want consequences these people because they wish harm upon me or excuse those who wish harm upon me. there is no "center" with this subject; there never has been, because nazi behavior forces the binary.
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