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Havoc 4 hours ago

Which is all sorts of backwards. Debt has liquidation preference over equity. And equity market say spacex has trillion+ of supposed equity buffer before it cuts into debt value

elbasti an hour ago | parent | next [-]

This is incorrect. SpaceX has a trillion in Market Capitalization, not a trillion in Equity. These two concepts are no the same. The equity value is the theoretical intrinsic "worth" of a company, and has a very simple definition: Equity = Assets - Liabilities.

Market capitalization takes into account the future value of the business, while equity (an accounting concept) only looks at present day cash & liabilities.

When a company gets liquidated, the future growth/value of the business is, pretty obviously, zero, so the "market cap" is irrelevant. What matters is what is left over once all debts are liquidated.

SpaceX's equity at the time of their IPO was $34 Billion (it's in the S1!). You can also see in their S1 that their cash decreases by about $8B a year, so unless things change they should be underwater in about 4 years.

mixdup 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

If the equity market says something that must make it true. Markets have never gotten valuations wrong

Havoc an hour ago | parent | next [-]

On the other hand the bond markets are pretty reliable too. It's all old school professionals in there not /r/wallstreetbets memekings pumping up their fav stonk

v8xi 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

are you not a true believer of the efficient market?