| ▲ | Laurel1234 2 hours ago |
| It'd be even easier if Gibraltar is returned to Spain to whom it belongs. |
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| ▲ | Cyph0n 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It would also be great if Ceuta and Melilla returned back to Morocco, and if Western Sahara in turn gained its independence from Morocco. As an aside, I have always found it ironic how Spain continuously whines about Gibraltar while doing the exact same thing to Morocco. At the very least, Spain was smart/lucky enough to lobby the UN early on to not include Ceuta and Melilla in the decolonization list. |
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| ▲ | Buxato 19 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | It couldn't be returned to a country that didn't exists before that places belonged to Spain. Its not the same thing, people that lived in Gibraltar was moved out. UN agrees with that, Spain politicians are to dumb to lobby anything. Check how much Spain spends in lobbying in US and how much Morocco (that its not even a democracy) spends. | | |
| ▲ | Cyph0n 6 minutes ago | parent [-] | | “But Morocco didn’t exist!” - addressed in another reply, see sibling. The UN argument boils down to Spain lobbying the UN early on (post-WW2) at a time when Morocco and other North African and West Asian states either did not exist yet or did not have the ability to represent themselves well at the UN. |
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| ▲ | froidpink an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ceuta was never Moroccan. In fact, Morocco didn't even exist when Ceuta became part of Portugal first (1415) and then Spain (either 1580 or 1640). Ceuta was a part of the Spanish Visigoth kingdom in the 7th Century before the Islamic Conquest (which for some reason we don't call colonisation). Ceuta has always had a strong connection with the rulers of Iberia. Gibraltar, on the other hand, was just lost in the War of Spanish succession to the British Empire, and has had a British connection to them since then, but never before | | |
| ▲ | Cyph0n 34 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Yep, it’s always justified by the fact that Morocco never existed and therefore has no claim. But applying this logic universally would change the world map, not to mention that this justification ignores the fact that the concept of a nation state is relatively new as a norm. Regardless, I and many others will continue to ridicule Spain’s paradoxical position on Gibraltar. Hopefully a just resolution is realized for all parties at some point in the future. |
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| ▲ | obayesshelton 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| In that context America should be given back, Alaska should be given back, Australia should be given back... the list goes on. |
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| ▲ | unkeen an hour ago | parent [-] | | Well, in theory, they should! :) Imagine a world where expansionist acts of violent injustice could be undone. |
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| ▲ | PaulRobinson an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Not according to the people who live there. Or in fact, Spain, who ceded it to the UK hundreds of years ago. Or do you think Spain has a legal right based on geographic proximity to enforce a culture on those people despite existing treaties, laws, culture and democracy? |
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| ▲ | Laurel1234 an hour ago | parent [-] | | > to enforce a culture on those people despite existing treaties, laws, culture and democracy? Britain has been doing this to Ireland for the last 800 years. You still continue to hold their land, oppress its people and do your best to exterminate what shred is left of their language. If Chinggis himself rose from the grave, I'd care a lot more about his thoughts on these matters than a Brit's. | | |
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| ▲ | pelagicAustral 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Bad precedent for the Falkland Islands... Chagos and then Gibraltar, would force the Falklands issue to be addressed more seriously, and that would be extremely unfair, since the argentine moot argument it's a mere chauvinist temper tantrum, fueled by generation after generation of propaganda conditioning by failed governments. |
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| ▲ | Laurel1234 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Love that since you realise your position is untenable, you just refuse to address it so it doesn't evince how untenable your other positions are. Must give props to English honesty though, most people would be savvy enough to come up with some sophism to cover this reprehensible chain of thought. But it's so ingrained in your minds that you have some divine right to your unlawful colonial holdings you just won't even bother. PD: get the fuck out of Ireland and allow their Scots their referendum. | |
| ▲ | ggm 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | A reminder the british government explored handing the Falklands over to Argentina before the war. Fisheries and oil, have changed the view but in times last it was not inconceivable to transfer authority. | | |
| ▲ | arethuza 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I'm pretty sure that if the Argentinians hasn't invaded they would probably have the Falklands by now. As it is it I would think that it would be political suicide for any UK government to even contemplate any kind of deal. | |
| ▲ | Tuna-Fish 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Fisheries and oil, have changed the view No. The reason was not economic, the reason was that the government polled the people living there and found that support for remaining British is ~100%. Oil was found later, the fisheries were never worth maintaining the island for. | | |
| ▲ | Laurel1234 an hour ago | parent [-] | | > No. The reason was not economic, the reason was that the government polled the people living there and found that support for remaining British is ~100%. The Russians in Donetsk and Luhansk also voted to be part of Russia and not Ukraine, crazy stuff. | | |
| ▲ | maccard an hour ago | parent [-] | | Are you genuinely comparing the referendums in Gibraltar to the current situation in Ukraine? | | |
| ▲ | Laurel1234 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | In both cases the settlers from an imperialist power vote their allegiance to said imperialist power. |
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| ▲ | ChocolateGod 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | To be fair, the situation of the Falklands is very different to Gibraltar. The Falklands were never Argentinian. The "native" inhabitants are the ones currently living there. |
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| ▲ | pmnelson 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What about Ceuta and Melilla? |
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| ▲ | ChocolateGod 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Russia says the same thing about Ukraine. |
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| ▲ | dontwannahearit 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| The Basque region wants a word... |
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