20 years ago a malformed packet to winsock would crash the computer, 5 years later installing win2k on my buddies computer (no router/firewall) a few minutes after we finished the install "windows will reboot in nn seconds" whelp time to re-install without a network connection... we've added a lot of layers since win2k, mostly in the name of ease of development, and I don't feel like we've met that goal but we sure found a way to get a million monkies behind a million typwriters, and now we're aiming to replace the monkies with simulated monkies. Time to smell my fingers and fall out of the tree ;-D