| ▲ | elmer2 4 hours ago |
| "Many LLM maximalists say they use the tech to learn new things, but to what effect? Are you going to apply that knowledge of physics or computer science yourself, or will you just prompt the LLM again?" Many of the LLM maximalists I know don't have the skills or knowledge to excel in technology and need to use LLMs to do their job. It's seen as a cheat code to get work done. As an example, A person I went to high school with that could barely figure out how to setup a Drupal site a few years ago, is now a frontier engineer at an AI startup. His Linkedin posts are filled with AI buzz words on a daily basis. "It's inherently worth more because it's hard-earned and anchored to experiences we share. " At some point, it will be impossible to tell the difference. Many people already can't tell if something was generated by AI. |
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| ▲ | MisterTea 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > At some point, it will be impossible to tell the difference. Many people already can't tell if something was generated by AI. So what if its indistinguishable - its not a product of human intellect or effort. I feel there is a large disconnect where people look at artful output such as music or writing as a thing no different than a box of paper clips. To them, "It's just there." They don't care how it got there, they just like the feeling they get from the consumption. That's fast food thinking; It's engineered to be "tasty" in the sense that they put the right amount of chemicals into the food to tickle the right nerve endings. It's junk food that exists to turn a profit. Whereas even the local diner puts effort into its food and has a damn fine Greek menu and the best mozzarella sticks. |
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| ▲ | planb an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I’m not sure it’s so simple. I went on a trip with friends this weekend and cut a video from all the short clips we filmed on our phones. Before AI I would have used some song from my music library as the background tune. This time I created a song with Suno that fits the clips and includes some funny anecdotes from our vacation. If I was very talented and had the time, I could have written the lyrics and recorded the song myself (which undoubtedly would be even more awesome), but I can’t do this. So I used AI as a tool to do it for me.
Everyone agrees it’s more personal and a better conserved memory of our shared experiences. | |
| ▲ | ben_w 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I'm not sure what you're arguing here? If it's indistinguishable, that could be because the user doesn't care to look closely, or it could be because it's just that well made now. For simple profile pictures, I genuinely stopped being able to tell if I'm looking at a real photo or not last year. > That's fast food thinking; It's engineered to be "tasty" in the sense that they put the right amount of chemicals into the food to tickle the right nerve endings. It's junk food that exists to turn a profit. Whereas even the local diner puts effort into its food and has a damn fine Greek menu and the best mozzarella sticks. The former is molecular gastronomy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_gastronomy The digital version fast food we already have and is a little different, in that it's the tuning of "the algorithm" to addict us, while text and image models* seem to be trying to actually fool us. * I suspect video and music models are trying to addict, but I'm not super sure either way. | |
| ▲ | ElProlactin 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If you knew how the modern music industry and local diners work, you might not be so impressed. It's not all artisanal, made with love goodness just because human hands did it. | | |
| ▲ | ericfr11 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | But the AI would not be able to perform live on a stage, producing emotions. I can't imagine staying 3 hours in a crowded room looking at a robot or a computer screen, even if it produces great music. Or if we get to that point, what gives the right and permission for humans to exist anymore? | | |
| ▲ | ben_w 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > I can't imagine staying 3 hours in a crowded room looking at a robot or a computer screen, even if it produces great music. May I introduce you to the runtime of The Lord of the Rings films? Also the American Federation of Musicians' campaign against "robot" musicians replacing live musicians in movie theatres? https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/musicians-wage-war-ag... |
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| ▲ | budsniffer952 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >That's fast food thinking You're simply drawing the line where it suits you. I don't consider it pure human coding if you use anything but Notepad. | | |
| ▲ | hoppp 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | What about punch cards? Real programmers write the code and throw it away after compilation. All the fixes happen in the binary. You are not a real programmer unless you debug hex dumps and add changes directly to the compiled program. Text editor? No. You punch the program on cards and then wait 1 week to get your turn and get a compiler error. | | |
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| ▲ | ElProlactin 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Perhaps you underestimated the person you went to high school with? The fact he or she "could barely figure out how to set up a Drupal site a few years ago" doesn't mean much. Lots of people are capable of immense progress when they apply themselves. |
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| ▲ | palmotea 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >> "It's inherently worth more because it's hard-earned and anchored to experiences we share." > At some point, it will be impossible to tell the difference. Many people already can't tell if something was generated by AI. Nit: it won't be impossible, just so hard so most people won't bother or give up if they try, and society will settle into a mediocre, regressed state. Then wait a little while, and the next generation will justify their mediocrity as actually some kind of progress, and the people who knew better will be dead and unable to challenge that. More technology != more progress. Just look what social media had done. At its best, it's like what came before, just more isolating. |
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| ▲ | grttw11p22 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | More technology does bring more progress in the long-run. Control of technology is a key issue. Social media wouldn’t be allowed to exist the way it does if govt’s regulated the internet much earlier. Are you happy with the trade off…? | | |
| ▲ | palmotea 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > More technology does bring more progress in the long-run. That's an article of faith, and I don't think it's true, or will stop being true at some point. > Control of technology is a key issue. Social media wouldn’t be allowed to exist the way it does if govt’s regulated the internet much earlier. Are you happy with the trade off…? Not necessarily. Human psychology needs limits and friction, and technology is almost always about removing limits and friction. We're not wise enough, collectively and individually, to say no in many, many cases when we should. I don't think what I'm about to say is a black-and-white rule, but I think we get into trouble when technology isn't invented to solve actual problems, but invented as an end in itself. | | |
| ▲ | grttw11p22 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | palmotea 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > You are not arguing in good faith mate. Look in the mirror. > Are you for real, do you want to go back to the Stone Age? Go ahead!!! That, my "friend," is called a strawman. > You are absolutely delusional. That's a knockout argument there, for sure. /s |
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| ▲ | idiotsecant 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If we're contributing anecdata I have used LLMs to tremendous effect to learn all kinds of interesting stuff because I like learning interesting stuff and LLMs can tailor the level of instruction to exactly where you're at and don't mind questions interrupting ever 6 seconds which is better than both textbooks and teachers, mostly. |
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| ▲ | bluefirebrand 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Have you ever tried to do the thing you learned without the LLM holding your hand? Or are you just assuming you learned something because you made a finished product of some kind? | | |
| ▲ | ex-aws-dude 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The question is does that even matter You may argue what if LLMs are inaccessible but that’s like teachers saying “you won’t always have a calculator” | | |
| ▲ | bluefirebrand 26 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | An LLM always being accessible is not my problem My problem is that filtering all of human creativity and expression through an LLM is ugly | |
| ▲ | walt_grata an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Sure it does. I still nees to know the correct mathematics to type into the calculator and the calculator is deterministic. If you don't understand it without the llm explaining it, how can you be sure you actually understand it? How can you catch mistakes made due to it being non-deterministic? Ask another llm? Same problem |
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| ▲ | budsniffer952 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| This is the classic gatekeeping our industry loves: "This guy couldn't do a thing we found easy, now he can! Boooo!" Yes, I can now set up a Drupal website in a few hours. That is great for me. |
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| ▲ | ThrowawayR2 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | "Gatekeeping" is a derogatory way of saying "maintaining standards of quality", usually by those who stand to benefit from lowered standards. I heartily approve of "gatekeeping" because I like having competent co-workers. |
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