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ofjcihen 5 hours ago

I know that the common refrain is “think of yourself as a manager now” but I’ve actually taken the opposite approach and have been telling anyone I train the same.

Diving deeper into technical understanding makes more sense to me at this point both as a way to make yourself more useful in the age of AI and also to use AI more effectively.

I regularly tell the kids to grab a text book on a subject that interests them and I do the same.

I’m willing to bet deep understanding is going to become a commodity soon.

allthetime 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It is easier than ever to learn difficult concepts. It is also easier than ever to produce things that used to require understanding of those concepts without them. Discipline and drive to use these powerful new tools patiently and with purpose is what is required.

pibaker an hour ago | parent [-]

Do we actually have any measurements of if AI helps you learn something better?

Because it is one thing to feel like you have learned something and another thing to have actually learned it well enough to put it in use. There are so many YouTube tutorials on all kinds of subject that will make you feel like an expert in the field after watching, and then you start doing the thing they have supposedly taught you and you can't remember a darn thing, because your "learning" was only ever skin deep and never meaningfully tested or reinforced.

gretch 15 minutes ago | parent [-]

> Do we actually have any measurements of if AI helps you learn something better?

To me this is intuitively true based on anecdata. 2 examples

1) learning spanish - when I hear or read a phrase I don't know, I type it into the LLM and I learn a new word/phrase. Sure, I could have cracked open a spanish language dictionary, but tbh, I wasn't going to do that. Not to mention that dictionaries are translating word by word and not phrase by phrase.

2) growing vegetables in the garden. I literally watched YT tutorials and did what they did, and now I have vegetables that I didn't before. Yes, I could have probably could have gotten this from a botany book, but once again, I probably was not going to do this. I also was trouble shooting a lot in gemini

Here are the problems I traversed: - How much water should I give these per day? what's the watering schedule? - how much sun vs shade? - when do I move seedling to the ground outside? - Is trimming good? which parts and when do I trim? - [take a picture of weird growth] - Is this a disease on the plant? Or part of the plant naturally?

demosthanos 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I wonder if it'd be more effective to teach how to critically use AI than to try to forward people to textbooks.

For myself, I have found that I am better able to learn new topics than ever before because being able to have a conversation with a moderately competent but sometimes catastrophically wrong AI about any new subject is actually the perfect mix of helpful and unhelpful for learning.

I use a loop along these lines:

* Ask a question * Get an answer * Be skeptical of the answer * Investigate/reason about the answer * Critique the answer * Rinse and repeat

This kind of loop is far more useful to me than any textbook ever has been, because a textbook just drips information into my head. It's more likely to be accurate, but not guaranteed, and it doesn't encourage me to actually engage with the material in the way that a wrong AI answer does.

ofjcihen 4 hours ago | parent [-]

That’s the beauty, you can do both. In practice I usually just let the AI know what chapter I’m on and then ask questions or have it ask me questions based on the chapter.

dspillett 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> the common refrain is “think of yourself as a manager now”

One of the many reasons I'm determined to remain a luddite wrt AI. I hate the idea of being a manager and have refused promotions to avoid it in the past. I don't want to manage automatons any more than I want to manage people. I want to do stuff, not manage.

ozim 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I find a lot of people are actually happy that they can offload mundane parts of job to automatons and to be really busy with the interesting parts.

It is not like you have to give them fun parts of the job.

While being a team lead for people I actually have to do the opposite. Get interesting parts to hand over to people to keep them happy and pick mundane not interesting boilerplate myself.

fnoef 3 hours ago | parent [-]

I keep hearing my this very much, so I have a question: what fun parts are there left for me?

It feels like this message of “offloading mundane tasks so you will have more time to do fun parts” is being pushed so hard, but in reality the opposite is happening. Fun parts are being offloaded while I’m left doing the soul sucking and mundane parts

ozim 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I need a bash script for example. I don’t like dealing with bash or debugging scripts written by others.

I have that part covered by AI so I can get multiple servers up and running and then eventually fix some config or networking here and there which I like.

Instead of bashing my head against the wall.

asdff 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Different strokes I guess. I love using bash.

georgeburdell 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I too give juniors the advice to crack open $textbook. It’s just painful to see the complex things they’ve created with horrible performance and no cohesive data model because they don’t have the requisite academic foundation to hand code the same thing given unlimited time

bryanrasmussen 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

a commodity is something of low value unless in a large aggregate.

Fordec 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Managers, good technical ones anyway, also dive deeper into technical understanding. They don't do it to write more code, they do it to figure out what the developer is saying to ensure the developers aren't blowing smoke.

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throwatdem12311 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Deep knowledge is going to be the opposite of a commodity.

geraneum 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> deep understanding is going to become a commodity soon

How does the text generated by LLM make “our” understanding deeper compared to text written in the books?

ofjcihen 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I think you have my argument backwards

layer8 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Your argument in that quote is completely unclear. Why do you believe that deep understanding is going to become a commodity soon? How would that happen?

geraneum 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yup, my mistake.

ofjcihen 3 hours ago | parent [-]

No worries :)

therobots927 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I couldn’t agree more. It seems AI is very good at middle of the distribution tasks where it has access to a lot of training data - enough to be highly reliable at that task.

Which means as a human your only added value is on the edge of the distribution. Which means you need to be learning and doing more complex, deep topics.

nurettin 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are you really diving into technicals just by asking "sooo what did you do?" to your AI? Without document crawling, debugging and pulling your hair out, how much of it is really a deep dive? I feel like all that effort that goes into generating a mental image from bits and pieces is gone. I'm just grudgingly happy I went through all that before humanity retired.

webdood90 42 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

The system does not reward deep understanding. It's too slow.

An analogy that I think helps describe how I feel about it all:

AI is like having cheat codes in a video game. You don't have to try hard and develop a deep understanding of how the game works. You aren't challenged anymore and it doesn't feel like you earned winning the game.

It doesn't matter because nobody cares. Businesses truly do not care. You are a cog, a means to an end. It's only about "winning". Now it's no longer fun to play the game.