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| ▲ | Arainach 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| On the one hand, news coverage is overblown. But scale and accessibility are absolutely a new class of problem. In the 1960s you could pay thousands of people to watch hundreds of cameras and listen to hundreds of phone lines to monitor people, but the cost was so enormous that unless you were in East Germany or Moscow it wasn't a realistic threat model. Now with computers we can cheaply have thousands of cameras with cheap storage that's retained forever and automatic image processing that means everyone is exposed to that kind of surveillance, which is a brand new problem. |
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| ▲ | intrasight 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Storage is less cheap right now I've often shared my prediction that future historians will study us all and that every living human will be the subject of someone's PhD thesis. I'm updating that prediction to be that those future someone's will be silicon based. | |
| ▲ | afarah1 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yes but also as always a people problem. People put the cameras and monitoring systems in place and operate them, to govern other people who ultimately yield to be governed, as the alternative is made too costly / dangerous by the governors. | | |
| ▲ | ben_w 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > as the alternative is made too costly / dangerous by the governors. There's nothing government (corporate or political) has made "costly" or "dangerous" about not having them, society did that all by itself: people will actively pay more to have these things because they see the benefit more than the risk, video calls with friends and family, not a hacker being able to duplicate their keys from one photo. There's 6 cameras on my desk right now, attached to internet-capable devices. Two phones, two laptops. I've got covers over all of them, which is easy, and sometimes mandatory e.g. when visiting the headquarters of certain big-tech firms. I'd never buy a smart camera. Don't trust them not to spy on me. But I do have a Raspberry pi upstairs, with a NoIR camera module, and an AI-coded bit of webcam software. Might consider it for seeing what animal gets into the garden at night. |
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| ▲ | sixtyj 32 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This framing happens because emotions such as scarcity, fear from unknown etc sells 4x more than good emotions. And in many cases, authors/journalists are often amateurs in the fields they write about. And/Or they don’t have enough time to investigate details as everybody expects instant news so pressure to be fast (and the first) is enormous. (I do specialized articles for living.) |
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| ▲ | joshspankit 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s systematic “6-12 mo to shaky profitability + ability to quickly iterate” is a business that has a good chance of surviving while “However long it takes to be fully secure” is a business that is not only rigid but needs massive up-front capital to get there and even then there’s no guarantee that the market fit is right And after that is something we could call the “Pareto spiral”: if a company find market fit and builds an excellent product, competitors can survive at 80% of that quality. If the “100%” fails for any reason, the competitors become the new ceiling and now their competitors can survive at 80% of that (now 64%) And only one round in, how secure could that 64% company be? |
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| ▲ | ben_w 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > Oookay. Is this a Mythos problem? Or a lazy/greedy/uncaring people problem? ¿Porque no los dos? All AI risk can be described with a narrative that ends in "some human were lazy and didn't care enough", it's just which humans and how much caring was enough. |
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| ▲ | afavour 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s still a problem we wouldn’t have without LLMs like Mythos existing. Yes, the solutions are different when you know the full context but “it’s just bad code” doesn’t mean there isn’t a problem. |
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| ▲ | toomuchtodo 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| People want simple answers to complex problems. When you find out most of society is held together with duct tape, promises, and trust, and then you have tool accelerant come along like GenAI, expectations violently meet reality. GenAI simply democratized the ability to evidence, inexpensively and at scale, in a wide variety of contexts, that "The Emperor has no clothes." |
