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anal_reactor a day ago

> only with Android or iOS

99% of people understand this as "you need a smartphone" which is not a problem in 2026, even for the elderly.

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Hackbraten 16 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Linux-based smartphones exist. Are they going to be e-waste?

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roundabout-host a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"only if you choose to share your personal data with either Google or Apple"?

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duskdozer 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't think it's going to be any more convincing with that. At this point anyone I encounter in "normal" life already assumes that I and everyone else has and primarily uses a Google or Apple account.

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anal_reactor a day ago | parent | prev [-]

How is that different from having a banking app installed? Or a government ID app?

	▲	kevin_thibedeau 18 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I have neither. Phones are too much of a security liability to be linked into such sensitive realms of personal life.
	▲	roundabout-host 19 hours ago \| parent \| prev \| next [-]
		What you can do with the ID app, you can also do on paper (if not with a Web service), except "age verification".
	▲	afandian 20 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		You can survive and be exist in society without both.

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netsharc 12 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Imagine if the requirements were instead "You need to have a phone with an OS controlled by Huawei"... do you see the issue there?

Maybe 99% of people have surrendered to Google/Apple (include me there), but the 1% has a valid point...

	▲	roundabout-host 18 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Indeed, it is just as unfair no matter if 1%, 55% or 99.99% of the affected population has one. Your operating system should be a choice. 1. By doing this, the EU is killing any alternative operating systems for phones: no one will switch to one if they can't access online services. Banks are already making it extremely hard. 2. Google and Apple might be better regarded than Huawei, but they are not moral (or they are not guaranteed to remain so). 3. The very idea of a de facto state-enforced monopoly on operating systems is outrageous.