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| ▲ | flossly 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Denmark? The Swiss? Norway? And I was in Serbia lately, and while it was not as developed as NW-EU, nobody there described it as decaying (and many said they experiences decay when living in western nations over the past 2 decades). |
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| ▲ | petcat 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Denmark is the architect of Chat Control. Even the extreme version that requires all E2E communications be accessible to the government. Denmark is not just decayed, it is completely rotten. | | |
| ▲ | Oarch 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I wasn't expecting to find Hamlet in these comments... | |
| ▲ | rvz 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Some people still don't have a clue that it is the almost the entirety of EU member countries in Europe that are rotten and are not doing particularly well. The only country in Europe that is the exception is Norway which is not part of the EU. |
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| ▲ | fransje26 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > And I was in Serbia lately [..] With OP postulating that it is to enable corruption, and a sub-reply affirming that it is therefore the trait of a country in decay, bringing in Serbia as a counter-example is hilarious. Serbia ranks 116th in the corruption perception index, Germany 10th. (Lower is better) | | |
| ▲ | master-lincoln an hour ago | parent [-] | | yeah, but decaying means something gets worse. Maybe corruption is getting less in Serbia despite still being bad? |
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| ▲ | cucumber3732842 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >And I was in Serbia lately, and while it was not as developed as NW-EU, nobody there described it as decaying (and many said they experiences decay when living in western nations over the past 2 decades) Yeah, a lot of the western countries that aren't wealthy enough to afford the luxury of indulging in absurd farcical politics and policies over the past 40yr are doing pretty decent. |
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| ▲ | tremon 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Why limit yourself to western countries? In fact, why limit it to countries at all? Isn't it the most popular trope of all time to decry the state of today and romanticise yesterday? People have "not been wanting to work anymore" for at least 150 years, things were always better in the olden days, people don't make 'em like they used to, etm. There's very little value in a statement like yours. It's a truism that has never been correct. |
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| ▲ | xienze an hour ago | parent [-] | | > things were always better in the olden days, people don't make 'em like they used to. Just because successive generations make the same observations about <X> doesn't mean that <X> hasn't actually been steadily declining, you know. |
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| ▲ | arjie an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Poland is now in the Western sphere of influence and it is not in decay. A weak case can be made for Ireland but it’s harder to extract effects of tax haven status. But Poland certainly. Going to be a higher income populace than the UK soon at this rate. The US is unusual as a federation. Some parts decline, others rise. I think it’s resilient. And every time something goes wrong, America pulls out a magic new technology. We will see if R&D will carry the day again. |
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| ▲ | skinfaxi 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| That it sucks elsewhere means we can't decry this instance? |
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| ▲ | inigyou 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Who said there was one? |
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| ▲ | greenavocado 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Poland, but its on borrowed time due to the extreme fertility crisis. |
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| ▲ | eigenspace 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Lol, what on earth makes you single out Poland as the single western country not in decay right now? | | |
| ▲ | sam_lowry_ 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Its economy has been growing for 30 years non-stop, to the point that it is now compared to Singapore. | | |
| ▲ | inigyou 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Economic growth is not the kind that's being referred to. I think Germany is also economically growing? It doesn't matter, they are still decaying in most ways. | |
| ▲ | jijijijij 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | In context of the article, the economic performance is hardly relevant. The authoritarian forces are still strong in Poland, their institutional damage persistent. |
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| ▲ | dyauspitr 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It doesn’t have immigrants so the right wing tries extra hard to paint it as rosy. | | |
| ▲ | maratc 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There are about 1.5 million immigrants from Ukraine alone. | | |
| ▲ | dyauspitr 2 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | White immigrants. Don’t act naive. | |
| ▲ | eigenspace 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The Americans who fetishize Poland do it because of their concept of it being 'racially pure' while having a growing economy. They don't particularly care about Ukrainians because Americans don't recognize any racial or ethnic difference between Ukrainians and Poles. | | |
| ▲ | greenavocado 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Look up a map of the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth | | |
| ▲ | eigenspace 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | So you are confirming that I'm right in my assertion that the reason you aren't bothered by the Ukrainian refugees in Poland is that you don't see them diluting the racial purity of Poland? |
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| ▲ | greenavocado 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Where is the lie? | | |
| ▲ | dyauspitr a minute ago | parent [-] | | It’s not that rosy? Especially compared to literally every country in Western Europe. |
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| ▲ | eigenspace 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ding Ding Ding |
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| ▲ | dgellow 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That impacts the whole developed world, it’s not a polish issue | |
| ▲ | flossly 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Is fertility so important? Maybe the other western countries are equally infertile, but just allowed many immigrants in (which counts are population expansion) that also have more children on average. How are Japan and Korea holing out? They are further down the infertility down-spiral. | | | |
| ▲ | lo_zamoyski 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The very consumerism that has made it materially wealthy has fucked up its citizens' priorities. Indeed, because the wealth differential over the last 30 years is as steep as it is - and because people are generally petty - it actually creates a perverse incentive to prioritize wealth accumulation over family life just to "keep up". You don't want the Joneses to outdo you. You don't want to seem shabbier. So, maybe rapid growth combined with consumerist impulses is a deadly combination for a society. If only rapid growth were combined with healthy and wise priorities... |
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