| ▲ | skrebbel an hour ago |
| I agree wholeheartedly with the argument raised in this github issue, but I think people are wrong to be skeptical about the concept of a government-issued age verification app. Thing is, the status quo is absolutely worse. My 13yo son likes making Roblox games. Suddenly, some months ago, Roblox made a change where you’re not allowed to share your games with friends unless you do “age verification”, apparently in some misguided bid to beat the pedos. In Roblox’ case, this means sharing your 3D likeness with some sketchy American business who pinky promises to delete said data after. I don’t want random American tech companies to have my kids’ biometric info like that, able to sell it to whoever asks. Nor my passport or anything like that. I’d much prefer a government supplied app, that’s guaranteed to protect my privacy, and has no business incentive to sell my data, where I can see what data about me (or my son) is shared with Roblox or whichever sleazy business wants it. Obviously this only makes sense if the government is less sleazy than the average American tech business, but for all its faults, I think that currently holds for the EU (and most of its member countries). There’s plenty precedent of EU governments doing privacy-conscious apps right (the Dutch covid tracking app comes to mind). I hope they see reason and fix this here issue. |
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| ▲ | em500 an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| Government issued versus corporate issued age verification is a false dichotomy. There are other options, such as refusing games that require them. (Yes, we do have a teen, and yes we did exactly that with Roblox.) |
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| ▲ | jstummbillig an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Pretending that those options are equal is a false dichotomy. Not participating is an option up to a point, and then it is increasingly limiting all other options. | |
| ▲ | joe_mamba an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | >There are other options, such as refusing games that require them. How about the option of the state not being so tyrannical in meddling about what people anonymously do online in their free time? |
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| ▲ | choo-t an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| You can (and should) be mad at the government and at Roblox at the same time. Also, don't use Roblox, you can freely share games made with PICO-8, Löve, Godot, Rpgmaker, Game maker and the like, no need to go to the hell scape that is Roblox and its dark patern and locked down ecosystem. |
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| ▲ | pibaker an hour ago | parent [-] | | None of the engines you mentioned are nearly as approachable as roblox when it comes to making a 3D game with little programming or art skills. Don't get me wrong. I agree roblox is a very shady operation, but that does not erase the fact that their platform is unmatched when it comes to letting kids make games. | | |
| ▲ | choo-t an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | RpgMaker is really approachable for a 13yo. There also Luanti, the new name of MineTest, which is closer to the Roblox experience (in the sense that there already a playable game there, and creating new stuff is closing to modding than to game making). | | |
| ▲ | pibaker 27 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The Roblox experience also includes a huge existing player base who may come and play your game without having to install anything new on their machines. I'd say this social factor actually matters a lot for Roblox where many if not most games are multiplayer. The only thing close is minecraft, which from what I heard already has similar restrictions on in game chat, plus other shady maneuvers from Microsoft. | | |
| ▲ | choo-t 12 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Of course Roblox have more player, but does your child really need millions of players? It's the same network effect with other megacorp, we could argue the same about X/Instagram/Mastodon, the question could be changed to:
Do you want your children to be groomed to use closed source ecosystem from shady companies or do you prefer they gain experience in using relatively open ecosystem ? Luanti let you make multiplayer games/mods too.
For Minecraft there way to play outside of Microsoft sanctioned versions and servers. |
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| ▲ | roundabout-host 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The "app" could be a good solution, if it didn't require attested Android or iOS. It could, for example, have me plug my ID chip into my GNU/Linux system and expose it with a standard protocol. That would be no problem. The problem is that they do not want such a way. In any case, I think that age gating would not be needed if the platforms were regulated to remove addictive recommendation algorithms. |
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| ▲ | pjc50 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > a government supplied app, that’s guaranteed to protect my privacy This is a bit of a 64,000 euro question, though. Look very closely at what the government exemptions for GDPR are. |
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| ▲ | knorker an hour ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Funny you use Netherlands as a good example, considering that famously, their existing unusually thorough registry was super helpful for the Nazis rounding up jews later. I don't think it's Godwin's Law when you are so spot on, exactly describing the worst case. |
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| ▲ | trashb 43 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Additionally there was a leak of the personal information of covid patients, the official tracking app was not affected as far as I can tell. However even if the app is secure the storage and handling of the information is a different matter and it has been shown that care is not always taken. | |
| ▲ | tikkabhuna an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Why would an age verification app need to know your ethnicity/religion? Governments likely already know your name, age, place of birth, so having an app with a standard API for verifying users isn't giving the government additional data. | | |
| ▲ | snottynose an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | It is one extra attack vector. There is a data leak reported every week, and it is now apparent we cannot trust any organization to handle any datum securely, at all. It has gotten to the point where I now consider every piece of information compromised and sold on the dark web as soon as I am forced to transfer it to a third party. Because those are the odds. | |
| ▲ | lstodd an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | "government" age verification app will be made and maintan
ed by some corp anyways. so it will gather extra data, sell it sideways and leak like hell. (as they already do with all the data they already have) |
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| ▲ | snottynose an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not necessary to hearken back so far in history. In our present age the intelligence services consistently do not respect privacy rights of citizens, even when they are legally bound to. https://www-bitsoffreedom-nl.translate.goog/2026/07/06/aivd-... |
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