I know statements like this mean well, but man it's so frustrating. It's the same thing as telling a person with depression to "just be happy".

If it were so simple this would've been solved nation wide by Modi's 2014 address.

Where does this education come from? Leaders, but leaders are product of their social environment. To create this change means to go against the norm meaning someone or a few have to break the trend. Then that belief has to take hold in others and THEN the real test begins. It has to be generational, the new generation, by yes, education, needs it to be truth as opposed to a new way. The old guard must die.

Only then will you "solve all social issues by education". Don't even get me started on scale. It works on a village or small country, but more? or a 2nd issue?

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quadrifoliate 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You hit the nail on the head. It's not that simple. I was born and raised in India and I have seen hordes of supposedly "educated" Indian people with degrees littering and making a nuisance of themselves; and seen a lot of Indians who didn't have a formal education be much more conscientious about cleanliness and such because their family raised them that way.

It's some combination of moral education, culture, science, and psychology. Even religion can play a role, especially in India where it's so important for a majority of the people.

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satvikpendem 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Degrees doesn't mean someone was brought up with cleanliness as a value, that's not what they mean by "educated." It's education of taking care of your general area and environment, not general schooling.

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quadrifoliate 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> It's education of taking care of your general area and environment, not general schooling.

I kind of know what you mean, but feel like we are going into No True Scotsman territory with the "well, that's not what education really means".

Degrees and such are typically the yardstick by which education is measured; if attainment of this education as measured by those yardsticks does not correlate with cleanliness, then the conclusion must be "The education system in India is broken and we should emphasize cleanliness in the education system" rather than "Education will solve cleanliness, it's that simple".

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		I think you just misunderstood the meaning of the word education in their comment, they clearly meant educating on cleanliness not in the literal K through university education system.

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satvikpendem 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

More like, the education thus far was insufficient, not that it's not simple to just have education; it is that simple, but simple does not mean easy or without effort. Japan instills cleanliness from early schooling, that's what needs to be done in India too. Not just throwing up our hands and saying "it's not that simple."

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Eueudhsbsj32 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hopefully the process is sped up with the rapid increase in Indians traveling internationally, and they'll start to realize and feel embarrassment/shame at the state of cleanliness in their own country.

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ambicapter 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> If it were so simple this would've been solved nation wide by Modi's 2014 address.

What? How is this supposed to work?