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crote 8 hours ago

What gives them the right to install and operate those cameras? I would have assumed that the license for placing them on public property was inherently linked to the services they provided to the local government.

But if it's not tied to that, does that mean that anyone can install cameras anywhere? What grounds would they have to give permits to Flock while refusing them to other interested parties, like StalkingMyEx LLC. and CopTrack Corp.?

ibejoeb 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't have the answer, but I wonder if they are considered a utility and operate on utility easements. Then we have to look at the county and state, too.

On the other side, I've read they operate a considerable number of private installations, too. Even that is suspect, too, in that there is existing case law affirming that people have a reasonable expectation of privacy in "the whole of their public movements."

engineer_22 7 hours ago | parent [-]

They’re not utility. But you don’t have to be a utility to construct in the right-of-way.

ibejoeb 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Good point. Then, if the contract lapses, who is responsible for that infrastructure? Does flock have to tear it down?

kulahan 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Probably some legal question that won’t get answered until there is a strong pressure to do so.

__MatrixMan__ 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And what's standing in the way of cleaning them up as litter?

engineer_22 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No, the right-of-way is not anything-goes. The property is legally owned by the deed holder of the real property thru which it passes, but practically the right-of-way is managed and maintained by the jurisdiction claiming the right-of-way, i.e. municipal, county, state government agencies. Installations need to be permitted by the agency.