| ▲ | bko 9 hours ago |
| I don't know, I'd prefer cops have access to technology that helps them apprehend criminals and enforce the law. Better audits and accountability are the solution, not removing technology. |
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| ▲ | hightrix 9 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I do know. I do not want to live in a society that is under 24/7 surveillance. Of course, if the cops can watch everything you do all the time, there will be less crime. But that is not a sacrifice I’m willing to make. |
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| ▲ | annoyingnoob 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > if the cops can watch everything you do all the time, there will be less crime I disagree there. If cops watch us at all times then more crimes will be prosecuted, think they'll just sit bored with nothing happening? They will find things, real or not. The reality is that crime is way down, we do not need more enforcement. Leave us alone already.
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| ▲ | bko 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | What planet do you live on? Go to a low crime neighborhood. Cops are super friendly and basically spend their day happily helping old ladies cross the street or getting cats down from trees. If you think cops like cracking heads and dealing with petty crime that they'll just invent otherwise and use to harass people, you're out of your mind. You really need to get out more. | | |
| ▲ | ethagnawl 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You're right and wrong. The first paragraph is absolutely accurate -- I live near some of these areas (SW Connecticut) and the contrast is stark. The second is not. There are absolutely people who take pleasure in the bullying behavior cops are often associated with. They're the ones who want the cushy jobs in Greenwich but don't get them (probably for the aforementioned reasons in many cases) and wind up being doubly punitive and cruel to people in Bridgeport. | | |
| ▲ | bko 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Violent crime / property crime per 100k people: Bridgeport ~393 ~1,700 Greenwich ~9.4 ~867 More cops, more crime! In other news, wet sidewalks cause rain. | | |
| ▲ | ethagnawl 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I actually don't disagree with that aspect of it. What I was saying is that there are absolutely cops who do _like cracking heads_. I (very personally!) know cops and they're often attracted to the job primarily for the benefits (retire with a pension after ~20 years; the part they'll tell anyone) and because they get to treat people like they did ants on the playground or freshman on the football team with impunity (the part they'll tell whoever is around after 10+ drinks). | | |
| ▲ | bko an hour ago | parent [-] | | > they get to treat people like they did ants on the playground or freshman on the football team with impunity I've never seen this. Instead I see cops taking abuse more often than not. Crazy person in the street screaming at the cop and the cops just waiting to see if he starts attacking someone. Seeing them navigate literal drugged out zombies and decide whether they really want to call the medics this time as it's a monthly occurrence with this exact individual. Things like that. I feel like you get your impression of police from TV show and movies rather than real life. |
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| ▲ | MiloLeo 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I could show you 10,000 yt videos that show there are plenty of cops that abuse power and harass. | | | |
| ▲ | mrguyorama 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | >Go to a low crime neighborhood. Cops are super friendly and basically spend their day happily helping old ladies cross the street or getting cats down from trees. >If you think cops like cracking heads They adore getting to crack heads. That's the entire reason they became cops. They love being able to use their power, rightfully or not, they don't really care. Cops themselves say this! |
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| ▲ | bko 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Cool, I choose to live in a highly policed neighborhood with well funded police. Essentially a gated community. You can enjoy your "freedom", but based on the real estate prices, I think more people have my preference. | | |
| ▲ | tremon 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, right. That's why the rich were the first to have the city install Flock cameras on their lawns and driveways, right? | | |
| ▲ | bko 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Thats not necessary. They have the loving embrace of Nest cameras connected directly to Google. Gladly share footage when there's a string of property crimes. Whats your point? |
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| ▲ | goobatrooba 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Cameras don't prevent crime, they just increase the cost of doing so (or the cost of preparing for it). Most crime is spontaneous. Plenty of examples from across the world that installing cameras or other checks at best shifts crime to other areas. |
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| ▲ | bko 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'll take shifting crime as long as it's away from me. Camera's 100% prevent crime because you catch the bad guy, and in a sane society lock the person up so he can no longer commit crime. See how that works? | | |
| ▲ | krupan 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | C'mon, you aren't going far enough. Catching someone after the crime was committed is not preventing the crime. You need AI to watch the cameras non stop and alert you before someone commits a crime ;-) |
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| ▲ | whatjustin 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > I'm cool with zero privacy if it means cops can arrest people more easily since they have perfect judgement "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety" - Ben Franklin |
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| ▲ | bko 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | Grant me the liberty to camp out on a public sidewalk and use hard drugs in a children's playground or give me death! | | |
| ▲ | undersuit 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think you should have the liberty to do both but there should be no reason for anyone to do so. Your two instances are happening because that's what available for them. | | |
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| ▲ | annoyingnoob 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| What is a dragnet? Why are dragnets illegal? Flock is essentially a private loophole that creates a nationwide dragnet. |
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| ▲ | orthecreedence an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't know, I'd prefer the cops do their jobs and solve crime without the state having intimate knowledge of my whereabouts and activities any time I enter the public sphere. |
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| ▲ | 8note 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| while cops are impossible to hold accountable, id prefer to give them fewer capabilities rather than more |
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| ▲ | vablings 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't think this is true. With the advent of body cameras, cellphones with cameras and FOIA requests you can build a good case if someone violates your rights. The bigger issues are that there is little to no consequence of a flagrant violation of rights because the police union is VERY protective over its members. | | |
| ▲ | richwater 8 hours ago | parent [-] | | The ability to make a case is directly related to how much free time you have and how much money you are able to spend. We cannot just wave this away when the vast majority of people cannot take off time from work or afford to hire attorneys when their rights are violated. | | |
| ▲ | glaslong 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Time you have also directly bounded by how alive you are after the event |
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