As a reminder, Amazon and Google pillaged the Redis project and took all the profits of themselves.

OSI purity is hyperscaler brainwashing. They don't want to pay you. They want to take your labor.

Amazon and Google have made billions of dollars off of Redis while the original authors and the company formed around it have gotten none of that.

The best licenses for new database projects are fair source and open core.

Tell the hyperscalers, "fuck you, pay me".

Fuck valkey. Fuck Amazon. Fuck Google.

They're fucking thieves. And they'll lay you off the second they get the chance.

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rpdillon 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't find this argument compelling because you're selectively applying logic.

Okay, so you don't like AWS or Google. Fine. What about the thousands of other hosting companies that use Linux, Apache, Nginx, PHP, Ruby, Python, and Perl for their offerings? Are Yunohost and Dreamhost evil for using Postgres and not open-sourcing their orchestration layer?

The precise reason I build my sites on top of Linux and Apache and Postgres is because I can switch hosts at any time. But what you're advocating for is being completely locked in to the hosting service that is controlled by the company that happened to have authored the database. I would never use a product from a company that had that attitude because I would be completely beholden to them.

I get your frustration that AWS and Google make it hard for database vendors to release their work under a truly open source license. But what you're advocating for would destroy a huge amount of the value of self-hosting and open-source.

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philipallstar 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This isn't true, I don't think. For example, Instagram was built on Django, but I don't believe the Django founders magically got money because their totally free to use OSS was used in the way it was licenced.

If you don't want people to use your software and make money, then don't release it with a licence that explicitly says you may make money from this software.

What was stolen?

	▲	inigyou 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		There used to be a social contract that you got free code if you behaved nicely with it. Then companies realised social contracts were worthless (not just in open source) and stopped following them and only followed legal contracts.

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dominotw 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> took all the profits of themselves.

some of those profits are passed on to users too. valkey on aws is cheaper for customers too.

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echelon 7 hours ago | parent [-]

> some of those profits are passed on to users too. valkey on aws is cheaper for customers too.

You must be joking.

Until the whole of AWS and GCP are open source, they're taking absurd margins on your business and locking you in.

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dominotw 7 hours ago | parent [-]

not sure i follow, thats the whole cloud hosting model. yeah you can self host to avoid that but thats a whole another tangent.

If you are already locked in then whats the benfit of choosing redis from a pointy haired boss prespective.

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echelon 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Amazon and Google are pouring resources into reducing the fitness of the Redis project, pilfering insane revenues, yet not once has either offered to open source their own core platforms.

They're attacking another company that is powerless to defend itself.

And the community cheers it on.

How kind of them to ensure valkey remains "open" so you can continue to purchase it through their hyperscaler product. They'll get their margins through your other usage and they won't pass that along to the Redis project. They'll be keeping that for themselves.

Sucking the oxygen out of the room while they metastasize into every area of the economy they can grow into. Dumping on healthy markets like an invasive species. Then they buy up the shells of once healthy companies, lay off the workers, outsource the labor.

	▲	inigyou 7 hours ago \| parent [-]
		They're doing exactly the same thing to Valkey that they're doing to Redis, it's just more legal. Somehow Valkey is more successful because of it.