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mh- an hour ago

(Apologies if you've commented on the following already, but I've not seen it.)

The most concerning growing trend I see is comments that don't violate any guidelines, but are flagged to dead.

I'm not talking about posters that are shadowbanned, but about comments that engaged thoughtfully on a topic but the rest of the thread disagreed emphatically with.

I also don't even mean controversial takes on hot-button issues like vaccines.

Just plain old bucking the trend in a thread about AI, transit, housing, layoffs, etc.

I've been browsing with showdead on for as long as I can remember, and I'm seeing this accelerate. Comments from folks both you and I respect as high quality contributors here.

I don't know what the solution is, but it discourages me (and I'm sure others) from having the kind of thought-provoking dialog I've gotten used to reading here for the last 15 years.

defrost an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> comments that don't violate any guidelines, but are flagged to dead.

Vouch them and/or email to hn@ycombinator.com and say why you think they deserve to be [undead].

I see that a lot, some have been erroneously caught by the real time AI detect filter (which actually isn't too bad at slicing out the actual AI gen comments) others have gone hard against the zeitgeist.

I've had the mods reinstate comments that I've thoroughly disagreed with but were making their best case for an opposing view - the threads are better with the best arguments forward for all sides of the elephant.

mh- an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I always vouch them but have never bothered to email. I figure the mods are seeing the same HN I am. But maybe I spend too much time here some evenings..

But yes, it's the "going against the zeitgeist" ones I have in mind. It feels very damaging to the community.

defrost 37 minutes ago | parent [-]

> I figure the mods are seeing the same HN I am.

It's a rare individual that reads all the comments .. my impression is they appreciate on point heads up emails about accidentally auto-binned comments and are happy to reverse flagging on good comments, even those that try and make the dark side of a case.

Probably best not to try and flood the zone with anti/pro pet subject matter karen emails though.

FWiW I semi frequently pick apart comments supporting cases I'm in favour of .. because I want to see better arguments being made and to discourage weak easily dismissed shallow support.

mh- 24 minutes ago | parent [-]

I agree with that, the ones I see flagged are frequently espousing viewpoints I disagree with. But they should be debated then, and flagging them denies everyone that opportunity.

archagon 25 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Personally, I've never seen a dead comment come back to life. I'm not sure using the vouch button does anything. (It does for submissions, though.)

mh- 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I have, but it's definitely very rare. And might have been manual intervention as described above.

defrost 15 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Personally, I've seen two - both ones that I emailed about (and I really disliked the stance taken on one of those, but they were debating at a level that was polite, addressed objections raised, acknowledged other PoVs etc.)

Vouch, I've perhaps seen reverse things several times (more of a background observation not pursued, so, you know, fuzzy anecdata at best), I did get feedback from @dang that one comment I vouched for was, in fact, a legitimate AI gen comment .. so clearly I'm human enough to fall for the occasional clanker.

dang an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

I'd need to see specific links, but many of those posts are probably being killed because our software classified them as being genai, which is not allowed on HN (see https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html#generated and https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47340079.)

mh- an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Happy to find and email you some when I'm at my desk.

(I'm well aware of the genAI policy, and very supportive of it.)

mh- an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

In the meantime, here's one I saw recently:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48660796

dang 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

That definitely wasn't a genai-related issue but the kind of issue it was is a knot that I'm too tired to untangle right now!

mh- 36 minutes ago | parent [-]

lol, fair. It wasn't a great example. Have a good night.