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The One-Step Trap (In AI Research)(incompleteideas.net)
37 points by jxmorris12 5 hours ago | 7 comments
ssivark 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Ha, interesting. I wasn't aware of Sutton's blog post, but if I might make a shameless plug, we demonstrated [1] exactly this problem (see section 4.4.3), and how multi-step world models (using diffusion models as the substrate) could be one potential answer.

Since then, I have come to like temporally-abstract models more and more. Rolling out in time -- either step-by-step or many steps at once -- suffers from the tyranny of the specific. For long horizon planning with agents, I care (often only approximately) about where I can end up, and seldom about exactly when I end up there. Successor features, GVFs, Forward-Backward representations, and the like seem like they have an elegant approach for structuring thinking at a "high level", instead of generating exponentially large search trees by rolling out microscopic world models.

[1] https://arxiv.org/abs/2410.05364 (funnily, from around the same time / few months after Sutton's blog post)

sawyers 2 hours ago | parent [-]

What do you mean by tyranny of the specific?

mxwsn 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

This is the same reasoning behind why Yann Lecun thought test-time scaling would not work for LLMs: compounding error.

Instead, the more tokens LLMs use, the better their performance on many tasks. LLMs can self-correct, evidenced by the power of getting models to question themselves by emitting "Wait," in S1. https://arxiv.org/abs/2501.19393

rf15 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You wouldn't believe the amount of reasoning I saw these past few months that was correct until the stochastic parrot decided that a "wait" token should now be used and everything steered off a cliff.

tipsytoad an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah came here to comment exactly this. And this is generally why I dislike/avoid this type of first principle analysis: it can make very convincing arguments that are just totally wrong due to some misleading assumption

fny an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm not sure I follow what one step means exactly. Aren't all models some f(x) = y? Is the suggestion instead that we should be doing f(x) = g(h(x)) = y?

What would the difference be?

gnabgib 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

(2024)