| ▲ | xmcp123 3 hours ago |
| “Technology that is based on everything humanity has already done, fails to do things that humanity has not yet done” |
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| ▲ | BurningFrog 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Wasn't Einstein's discoveries based on things humanity had already done? AIs do things no human has done before millions of times a day. |
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| ▲ | nathan_compton 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Einstein's discoveries were based (to a large degree) on negating very specific parts of scientific orthodoxy and then taking the steps forward to carefully derive results with those rejections in place. LLMs are aggressively trained to reproduce facts and consequently struggle to reject orthodoxy. There isn't any reason they can't, in principal, make big new discoveries just by getting lucky, which is sort of also how humans do it, but its ok to acknowledge that current AIs aren't so good at certain things. |
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| ▲ | esafak 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Are you following the news? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48863490 LLMs don't just 'average' their data. |
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| ▲ | Arainach 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | That doesn't disagree with this article. Proving a theorem that a human already proposed in an existing discipline of math - math, the most formalized and easiest discipline to involve computers in even before LLMs - is very different from expanding the boundaries of science. | | |
| ▲ | esafak 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | How is it different? Before there was no proof, and now there is. What counts as expanding the boundary to you? | | |
| ▲ | Arainach 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Identifying what questions to ask is often much harder than answering them. Proposing new theorems - and new areas of investigation - is what expands boundaries. Proving them is confirmation. Once the Pythagorean theorem was proposed, many different proofs have been identified. In art, once a new style is created it's often straightforward for others to replicate. In physics, the idea of Relativity was what enabled the design of experiments to demonstrate its correctness. Proposing the idea is what's essential. |
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| ▲ | pton_xd 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | They interpolate data in an XYZ dimensional space. The implications of that is beyond our comprehension. I have a hard time believing that all novel concepts yet to be discovered are contained within that space, though. | |
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| ▲ | runarberg 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| This may seem so blatantly obvious to us that it need not be mentioned, but to a lot of people I bet it is not obvious at al, and in fact may even be counter-obvious. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtQ9nt2ZeGM |