| ▲ | j-conn 5 hours ago |
| Totally misleading. Early CPR (+AED if available) absolutely saves lives. Article is from 2011 by a family med doctor. Overly aggressive resuscitation attempts are definitely a problem but context matters |
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| ▲ | bonsai_spool 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > Early CPR (+AED if available) absolutely saves lives. Article is from 2011 by a family med doctor. You have to provide a denominator to make this statement. 30-day survival for out-of-hospital CPR is 10%, and discharge from the hospital (let alone functional status) is even lower. CPR is thus a great example of the OP's thesis that doctors refuse certain things based on their poor efficacy. https://www.redcross.org/take-a-class/resources/articles/cpr... |
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| ▲ | kryogen1c 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Did you read what you linked? It's not a study of the effects of cpr, it's a list of facts about cardiac arrest that occurs outside a hospital. It explicitly says cpr is life saving: >Survival chances decrease by 10% for every minute that immediate CPR and use of an AED is delayed. |
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| ▲ | clukic 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| 100%. CPR initiated within 2 minutes of cardiac arrest increases survival rate by 81%. The fact that CPR is rarely initiated so quickly (and thus survival rates are extremely low), says nothing about the efficacy of CPR. In the best cases where CPR is initiated < 2 mins, and AED shock within < 5mins survival rate can be as high as 50%. https://newsroom.heart.org/news/bystander-cpr-up-to-10-minut... |
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| ▲ | classichasclass 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| "Early" is load-bearing. Even brief delays, just mere minutes, significantly decrease survival or positive outcomes. https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCOUTCOMES.123.010... It's important to get people to realize the benefits of early CPR and more people should be trained on how to do it, or else it won't be prompt and the outcomes will be worse. That's what the Red Cross and AHA promulgate to the public, in so many words. |
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| ▲ | lsaferite 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I've never heard the term "load-bearing" used outside of the civil engineering world until the more recent versions of Claude suddenly decided everything was "load-bearing". Did you internalize Claude terminology, use Claude to write/translate your post, or lead Claude into temptation by being the OG? Asking out of genuine curiosity and not at all trying to throw shade. | | |
| ▲ | switchbak 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "Load bearing beliefs" is a thing in the podcast/YouTube world at a minimum. Perhaps you're not as online as some other folks (probably a good thing!). | | |
| ▲ | lsaferite 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I watch a lot of tech adjacent YT videos mostly. I really haven't heard this being used. So weird the different bubbles we all live in and just don't realize. Is the usage recent or historic? What contexts is it used in? Is it common in American English, British English, or one of the several other groupings? |
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| ▲ | hankbond 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I have heard it in the way that Claude uses it going way back. Since I have to use Anthropic models for work, and they use that term prodigiously, it's been added to the list of "perfectly fine phrases that have been ruined" to me. It's really frustrating too because I don't know what other phrase I would use. | | |
| ▲ | icepush an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | You could use the word "important" | |
| ▲ | lsaferite 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I don't suppose you recall where you picked it up? I really am curious on this, regardless what all the downvoters happen to think. The linguistics that surface in the training mixed with the system prompts is really interesting. Annoying as well, but still interesting. | | |
| ▲ | hankbond an hour ago | parent [-] | | Technically not civil engineering but similarly enough in the home-reno space. You can knock down a retaining wall relatively willy-nilly but a load-bearing wall needs a replacement thought out ahead of time. So extended to concepts it always seemed a natural fit. I think where I picked it up in this regard was when used to describe Religion, in that you don't necessarily need the religions we have to "fill the god hole" but you need something of similar fortitude in order to maintain balance. The idea is that you can't just remove religion and then not replace it because it bears so much weight. |
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| ▲ | Stratoscope an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | "does some heavy lifting" |
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| ▲ | girvo 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's funny you're being grumped at about it, but yeah "load-bearing" outside of civil eng is my "nails on a chalkboard" slop signal. Well, one of many. | |
| ▲ | classichasclass 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | No. I do use the term. | | |
| ▲ | lsaferite 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm curious where you picked it up originally. I've been mystified why Claude started using it so much. |
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| ▲ | oh_my_goodness 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| How has CPR (or CPR data) changed since 2011? What type of medicine do you practice? |
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| ▲ | j-conn 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | My only point was that this article shouldn’t be considered authoritative, wanted to put it in perspective for someone surfing hn and just reading the comments The person closest to me was saved by CPR after cardiac arrest (and cooling at the hospital), with no neurological deficits |
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