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overfeed 8 hours ago

OpenAI also has infinite money, and the graph for money/lawyering gets clamped well below what OpenAI can afford. It's going to end most other corporate courtroom tangles: with an undisclosed settlement and a well-publicized partnership.

transdev12 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

OpenAI really doesn’t have infinite money. They have a lot of money, sure, but it is being burned like crazy, we know this. It is widely known that they are deeply unprofitable.

Compare that with Apple, a company that throws off billions of cash every quarter. This isn’t a legit comparison.

anon373839 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I agree that both companies have sufficient capital that legal resources are a a wash. But:

> It's going to end most other corporate courtroom tangles: with an undisclosed settlement and a well-publicized partnership.

This we don't know. We don't know what Apple wants to accomplish with this suit. They may be more interested in the injunctive relief than the monetary recovery. They may want to weaken OpenAI as part of a strategic pivot toward marketing local, private AI inference. As everyone has noted, the factual allegations are detailed and extensive - Apple likely has OpenAI dead to rights on this.

yugioh3 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Exactly. what financial benefit can Apple get from a nonexistent OAI hardware business with no launched products? What actual harm has been caused so far? This is all about preempting future harm by slowing their product launch by years or, like Waymo/Uber, forcing OAI’s hand to cut losses and sunset their hardware ambitions permanently.

crossroadsguy 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Infinite money if lawyers are accepting AWS and Azure credits. You got to store those discovery documents somewhere after all.

rukuu001 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> OpenAI also has infinite money

And an infinite money-eating bonfire

bigyabai 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Unless Apple protracts the case, that won't become an issue.

runako 41 minutes ago | parent [-]

Drag out a legal battle? Surely, Apple would never do something like that[1].

1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Micros....

amazingman 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

OpenAI's money belongs to investors and can be pulled if, say, investors got spooked. Apple's money is much more real.

enraged_camel 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>> OpenAI also has infinite money

Except OpenAI needs every cent of that money for compute, and they don't have healthy profits that can replenish what they spend.

Their financial situation is simply not comparable to that of Apple's.

tybit 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The OPs point wasn’t that OpenAis financial situation is comparable to Apples. It was that the likely cost of litigation is a drop in the ocean for OpenAi too despite their comparative lack of cash to burn. Legal disputes like this cost in the hundreds of millions over many years, so well below 1% OpenAis last single funding round in single year. If they got a tiny benefit from this (very gross) behaviour it may be finically well worth while. OpenAI may very well go under IMO, but this will barely be a straw on the camels back.

y1n0 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

OpenAI has no shortage of vc money sources.

jhfdbkofdchk 6 hours ago | parent [-]

For now.

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