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TheJoeMan 8 hours ago

As a counterpoint, why should a “metal finishing technique” be proprietary? Lying to the vendor that Apple said it’s ok is obviously wrong, but an employee taking that knowledge in their head doesn’t seem wrong to me. We have moved past the age of indentured apprentices and the freemasons.

estearum 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Because Apple paid to produce that knowledge? It's good that people can spend a lot of time and money developing new knowledge and then for some period of time they get to exclusively reap the rewards of doing so.

Do you mind if I MITM all of your work output, your emails, your code, your messages, and attach my name to it and then receive your paychecks in exchange for my work?

Marsymars 7 hours ago | parent [-]

> Because Apple paid to produce that knowledge? It's good that people can spend a lot of time and money developing new knowledge and then for some period of time they get to exclusively reap the rewards of doing so.

You’re describing patents?

SoftTalker 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Trade secrets. A legally recognized thing, and legally protected.

JumpCrisscross 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

And NDAs. I may develop a non-patentable technique. That doesn't mean I can't share it with you under NDA and, if you breach said NDA, enforce it.

estearum 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm describing "intellectual property," patents being only one way to legally protect such property.

saghm 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

To me, the fraud is the issue. If the person actually has the knowledge to spec out the whole technique, then sure, they can ask for it. But if they just said "give me what you give Apple" or describes it in detail and the vendor says "no I only will give that when Apple says they're okay", I don't see anything wrong with that either.

mrWiz 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My reading is that the employee did not know the method but only of its existence.

cdrnsf 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It must have some sort of value if OpenAI went through the trouble to get access to it.