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ErneX 10 hours ago

This isn’t the first time something like this happens and I always wonder how are these seemingly smart people earning good money so dumb.

atlasunshrugged 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Right? Just straight up documentation with no shame: From an Axios article on this

> Liu celebrated the exploit, according to the filing. "LOL, I found out I can access the [network storage], so funny," he said in a message to a former colleague who was still employed by Apple.

https://www.axios.com/2026/07/10/apple-sues-openai-trade-sec...

forgotaccount3 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It'd be even funnier if the 'message' was a text sent from their iphone.

ErneX 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Appalling.

ipdashc 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Meh. It's one megacorp stealing stuff from another megacorp, hardly "appalling", who cares. I'd probably react the same way; I just wouldn't leak it to my next employer, that's dumb.

paul7986 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It is but it is the Silicon Valley way and business way for many. Steamroll and do whatever it takes to win and be successful. Morals what are those?

dylan604 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

These companies are big enough (especially financially) that I'm really surprised that they do not have their own FBI/CIA/NSA departments in the world of corporate espionage.

hn_go_brrrrr 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Don't worry, some do.

doginasuit 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Exactly. If ever there was a y'all deserve eachother situation, it is this.

MengerSponge 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

"Is you taking notes on a criminal f-cking conspiracy?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ZLoMrRgFFE

mboto 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I want this to run like a real f-cking business!

eddyfromtheblok 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

flagrant

generj 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s even more ridiculous when choosing to do it Apple. It’s hard to think of a company with more legal resources and which is more protective of its hardware IP.

kridsdale1 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And vindictiveness.

Steve declared thermonuclear war on Google because Android re-skinned to use BUTTONS.

woadwarrior01 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> because Android re-skinned to use BUTTONS.

No. Steve's rage was justified, IMO. It was because Eric Schmidt was on Apple's board while simultaneously being Google's CEO and Google was surreptitiously building Android at the time. Mother of all conflict of interests.

There was a recent story that reminded me of it. Mike Krieger was on Figma's board and Anthropic's CPO, while Anthropic was surreptitiously building Claude Design.

Chu4eeno 3 hours ago | parent [-]

It wasn't very surreptitiously, Google very loudly bought Android Inc. for 50 million in 2005, two years before Apple ripped of the phone that won the iF Design Award in 2006, the LG Prada.

formerly_proven 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Steve declared thermonuclear war on Google because Android re-skinned to use BUTTONS.

Was there ever a point in time where Google was not the default search engine on iOS?

Cyberdog 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes, briefly: https://qz.com/apple-google-yahoo-search-engine-safari-antit...

ChrisMarshallNY 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Disney comes to mind…

If I remember, there was a former Apple employee, who was quite influential with The House of Mouse…

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pezezin 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Nintendo?

ofjcihen 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I’ve been present when the world comes crashing down around people who thought they were too smart to get caught.

The surprise in their eyes is always very genuine.

throwyawayyyy 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Either people are being really, really silly (which cannot be discounted), or the potential reward is so high as to override whatever qualms a normal person must have. Is that it? Is this people looking at a solid career at Apple or sudden millions from OpenAI, and thinking the risk is worth it somehow? Or, more darkly, is it people thinking _this is my only chance and I have to take it_? Or is it trickle-down lawlessness?

therealdrag0 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Sometimes the reward is pitifully small. There was a podcast about insider trading and sometimes the insiders will give the information for free or a negligible sum. There’s something in human psychology that facilitates collaboration even in unethical acts.

calebio 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Google/Waymo + Uber/Otto comes to mind here with Anthony Levandowski.

xnx 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Google and Uber started as courtroom enemies, but probably had to commiserate some on Anthony Levandowski probably being the worst hire they both made.

CobrastanJorji 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Amazing character. Started as a regular robot-loving engineering kid, was in the right place at the right time and earned something like $140 million from Google, mostly from truly ludicrous performance bonuses, went to Uber for another giant payout, was worth nine figures. And sure, he was convicted for crimes, but he got one of those definitely-legitimate Trump pardons.

And then he managed to turn that into a negative $50 million net worth.

And also he briefly started a religion based around having an AI inventing a Christian god or something because his story wasn't crazy enough.

xnx 8 hours ago | parent [-]

> And also he briefly started a religion

I always assumed this was a tax-avoidance scheme

kridsdale1 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

When all that went down, I was at Facebook. And some recruiter posted the news that Anthony was no longer at Uber, with a message like “this is a great opportunity to secure a top tier hire!”

I replied (on Workplace) “Absolutely the fuck NOT.”

paxys 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Intelligence is domain-specific. People who have put too many skill points in technical knowledge often have none left for common sense and street-smarts.

groundzeros2015 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Intelligence is actually extremely general and transferrable - IQ measures meta skills and ability that predicts success in a plethora of areas.

If you don’t believe in IQ consider agency and conscientiousness

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jerf 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

INT 18 WIS 3 is a terribly dangerous build in this world.

truncate 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Overconfidence. These people think they are much smarter than others to be caught.

nsz65 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

More like lot of people are leaving Apple for OpenAI (no surprise) and an Apple manager wants to send a signal to everyone leaving to chill with what they walk out with. Corps have to perform a lot of theatre because there is lot of info constantly leaking out.

jeremyjh 7 hours ago | parent [-]

And now the entire industry knows they are too stupid to be employed.

Hadriel 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

seemingly smart is the key here. intelligence doesnt make up for ethics.

SoftTalker 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

And I'd question the intelligence also. I don't think employment at FAANG means a lot in that regard.

loeg 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Yeah but it isn't just unethical, it's also deeply stupid -- you will be caught.

zzyzxd 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Those people are designers. And they don't necessarily understand software, data, or security. When I explained to my non-technical friends about how they were being tracked by website cookies, it sounded like a sci fi story to them. But yes, it's dumb.

I was more surprised by how they managed to keep using work devices after termination. This sounds to me like a failure of their manager to do their job to follow the standard exit process.

miroljub 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

You assume they have a standard exit process.

astrange 6 hours ago | parent [-]

A VP is not a designer, and doesn't have a standard anything.

fsthrowaway 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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stavros 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Because companies get an advantage by having their people do this. You only hear about the times they get caught, but apparently they get caught so rarely that it's worth it.

kbelder 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Everywhere I've ever worked, if I went to management and said "hey, I've got some files from my last job, if you want to see them," they would say "absolutely not, please get rid of them RIGHT NOW," and probably fire me.

But, I don't work in Silicon Valley.

loeg 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I work for a Silicon Valley headquartered company and would expect the same.

stavros 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Companies don't get to be worth billions of dollars without doing something unethical.

JumpCrisscross 7 hours ago | parent [-]

It's people who hold these beliefs who commit these acts. They're so convinced everyone around them is depraved, usually–at least in part–through personal experience, that they don't stop to consider the alternative.

bigyabai 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

"Picasso had a saying -- 'good artists copy; great artists steal' -- and we have always been shameless about stealing great ideas."

- Steve Jobs

yugioh3 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Great artists steal ideas, not a painting off a gallery wall.

delis-thumbs-7e 5 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

> Through Apollinaire, Picasso contacted the poet’s ex-secretary, Honore-Joseph Géry Pieret, who was ready to steal artifacts for a reasonable price. In 1907, Pieret broke into the Louvre and took several sculptures with him. Months later, Picasso would reveal his ground-breaking Cubist work Les Demoiselles d’Avignon which was heavily inspired by Iberian and African sculpture.

https://www.thecollector.com/famous-artists-turned-crime/

zeusk 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well their whole model is a stolen art collection :)

tarpitt 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Why not both? Three cheers for escape artists!

jay_kyburz 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

a "metal-finishing technique" _is_ an idea.

joke

brandon272 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

When you are bulk copying data off your former employer's network share, that is a lot more than "stealing ideas".

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al_borland 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Having a certain type of finish on the metal is an idea. Tricking someone into using Apple’s exact trade-secret finishing technique is copying. Making a new, even better technique, that’s so good the general public forgets about Apple and thinks you’re the new benchmark… that’s the kind of stealing that quote is talking about.

wpm 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yes, and if you analyze the finished metal and put in the work to reverse engineer it, fine, have at it. That's not even theft. If Apple really wanted to keep it completely secret forever, they can't sell it, so thats the risk they accept.

But thats very different than scheming to steal actual property, which these files are.

simondotau 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The concept of applying some kind of Apple-ish texture finish to metal is an idea. A research-heavy, highly specific, finely tuned, multiple step, trade secret, brand signature metal finishing technique is a painting.

mikeocool 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Kinda seems like OpenAI didn’t actually have that idea or the ability to execute it, if they had to go to apple’s supplier and lie to them to get them do it.

doginasuit 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Funny thing, Steve Jobs is the only source that attributes this quote to Picasso, and it seems very likely he made it up.

The idea behind the quote most likely came from T.S. Eliot: Immature poets imitate; mature poets steal.