| ▲ | WhitneyLand 4 hours ago |
| If all checks out this is a huge milestone. AI has now solved one of the most famous open problems in graph theory, using an off the shelf model, in one hour. It might be a better mathematician than most humans at this point. Kind of like when chess software started beating everyone except grandmasters. What’s left? Proposing and building out entirely new theories and frameworks? Then better than any human? Then alien math results we struggle to comprehend? |
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| ▲ | StefanBatory 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It's hard for me not to think what's the point. I am a very average, even below average person in times of intelligence. What is even my value or reason to be if I know anything I can do, LLMs can do better? What is even my value both on job market and as a human? |
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| ▲ | benlivengood 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There are smarter and better humans at just about everything you or I could want to do, that's just life. Most of life isn't about comparative advantages, it's about enjoying life with people we like. | |
| ▲ | munksbeer 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Sorry to be nihilist, but you never had any objective value if you're thinking in these terms. As far as we know, the universe "just is". There is no universal objective value of human beings, at all, any one of us. You have to make or find your own value in the universe. I try not to think too hard about the nihilist side and try to appreciate that for some unfathomable reason, I seem to have what I call consciousness - the ability to observe the present and have it superimposed on the past, and what may be the future, leading me to "experience" things. I don't understand it, no-one does (some people suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect think they do, but they don't), and yet, here we are. So it doesn't matter to me if machines perform better than I do, because already lots of other people do. Just try to find your own joy or meaning, somehow. | | |
| ▲ | adamtaylor_13 an hour ago | parent [-] | | > As far as we know, the universe "just is". I don't know this. In fact, billions of people around the world don't know this. In fact, all evidence points to the contrary. You have objective value being made in the image of a personal God. Denying that leads to a lot of pain, namely nihilistic suffering because it's on you to "pull yourself up by the bootstraps" in any endeavor involving your own self-worth. | | |
| ▲ | Chu4eeno 42 minutes ago | parent [-] | | To cite the famed Russian philosopher Norm Macdonald; "Scripture. Faith. Grace. Christ, Glory of God. Smart man says nothing is a miracle. I say everything is." |
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| ▲ | WhitneyLand 34 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Your value is intrinsic as a human being. We’re capable of love and shared experiences that a machine will never know. | |
| ▲ | yunwal 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Do you have friends or people in your life that are also not geniuses? Do you think about them this way? Why or why not? | |
| ▲ | vmg12 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | You have inherent value by virtue of being human. Unfortunately it seems like people have forgotten humanism. | |
| ▲ | breezybottom an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Manual labor | | |
| ▲ | swat535 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Even that is being automated now, it was one of the thing being automated very early on in factories.. |
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| ▲ | esafak 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > What's left? I think humans will be left to propose new conjectures while machines fill out the proofs. I don't know if there are enough interesting conjectures to go round to build new careers, though. |
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| ▲ | IsTom 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | To be able to propose interesting conjectures you need to walk the walk of trying to prove things yourself. That's not great for future generations. | | |
| ▲ | Sabinus an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Isn't it same argument for every tool we've created? | |
| ▲ | esafak 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It is the same with anything technical; you need taste and wisdom, which are borne of experience. I think society will want to subsidize this learning lest it deskills en masse. | | |
| ▲ | IsTom 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | It would be nice, but I don't have much hope as it doesn't help next quarter's profits. |
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| ▲ | sandspar 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Surely the machines will have superior conjectures soon. | | |
| ▲ | esafak 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think so. Mathematics is the least of my worries. I worry about what the machines will want to do. |
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| ▲ | npinsker 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| You say those things like they're a short step away, but that might not be how it works out. For example, AI has made zero progress in the last few years in surpassing professionals at art or writing. Its prompt-following skill is much better, and sure, it can render hands and text now, but its artistic sensibility is completely stagnant. |
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| ▲ | ToValueFunfetti 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I think, and I may be totally off base, that the labs are specifically avoiding art and (non-technical) writing as an endpoint. It's bad PR for them- it calls attention to the copyright question and threatens the 'human flourishing' kind of jobs- and there's no money in it because people prefer art to be human made and there's hardly any money in that anyway. | | | |
| ▲ | in-silico 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The difference is that artistic sensibility is largely subjective. This means that: 1. It's hard to measure (and people can disagree about it) 2. It can't really be improved using RL without a human in the loop (which is how math is being trained) | | |
| ▲ | Miraste 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | At a certain level, yes, but AI is still so bad at writing that its failures are objective and easily measurable | |
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| ▲ | phatfish 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Art is so entwined with the human condition that generative AI which conjures output from a statistical pass over background noise is bound to be stagnant. Obviously it can impersonate art, but where creativity and the human story matter artists need not worry. | |
| ▲ | fooker 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | AI is no match for rapidly shifting goalposts ;) | |
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| ▲ | pixel_popping 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What are you even talking about? The last few years, AI has made an insanely big jump in capabilities, performance, accuracy. It destroyed the carrier of a ton of writers and can generate images that are good enough to bamboozle people into thinking it's human made, that sounds like an insanely big leap to me, and yes it can be very creative and in music as well, I would bet it beats already 90% of musicians (most musicians are not that competent). |
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