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BeetleB 5 hours ago

> I complained in the group chat, that our didactic materials, specifically tasked with providing motivation and concrete examples, did not contain a single application, of this most richly applied field.

> I was promptly pilloried, and shunned.

Heh. In my day I may have participated in the pillorying.

I do think that there is value/merit in professors mentioning real world applications, where they exist.

What they're sensitive about are the theorems where there aren't real world applications. They don't want to (and shouldn't) justify them.

So even when there are real world applications, the posture is "Who knows if someone is making good use of this in the world somewhere? I don't care. It's not why we learn or teach this!"

arrowsmith 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Knowledge for its own sake is great, but it's worth noting that many "useless" fields of mathematics turned out to be very practical in the long run.

Number theory was long thought to have no practical application, but now it's the backbone of cryptography. Boolean algebra was developed in the 19th century (George Boole died in 1864), decades before it was used to build computers.

Those "useless" theorems being proved today may turn out to unlock a world-changing technology centuries from now. When the breakthrough comes we'll be grateful for the people who laid the foundations.

BeetleB 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

No one is disputing that - not even most mathematicians. They just don't want it to be their job to know the useful applications.

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s3p 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hear me out on this one:

For a lot of math departments, that is exactly why they teach this. Education is rooted in application. We have entire careers that depend on certain aspects of mathematics, so most companies gatekeep that career by a degree. The degree requires the class. The student taking the class may not even be old enough to drink alcohol yet, and they can't possibly be expected to know of all the applications. Knowing and not telling them is doing them a disservice.

BeetleB 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> For a lot of math departments, that is exactly why they teach this.

Depends on the course. That's why some departments have separate calculus courses for math majors - because otherwise the whole class will be full of non-math majors (engineers, etc) and focusing on their needs does a disservice to the students in their own department.

> The degree requires the class. The student taking the class may not even be old enough to drink alcohol yet, and they can't possibly be expected to know of all the applications.

If I'm a CS major, and the degree is requiring a class outside of the CS department, you shouldn't expect the professor of the class to know why the CS department is requiring it. It's on the CS department and its faculty to explain it.

throwup238 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I think for many people (myself included) understanding mathematics is rooted in application because it helps bridge the divide between intuition and rote memorization. Without the application, IMO instructors are doing a disservice to their students and pedagogy of mathematics itself. They’re intentionally ignoring a significant fraction of the class, unless they’re teaching some esoteric grad level pure math.

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